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This whole thing showed me how TERFs weaponize “logic” and “biology” as like some sort of gotcha when it's can just watered down to
Gatekeep > Erase history > Pretend oppression is a zero-sum game > Frame trans people as predators > Call it “feminism.”
These mfs fr act like trans people just like popped up one day in Tumblr discourse and then proceed to ignore decades of queer history where trans and gender non-conforming ppl were always central in the fight for liberation.
Also notice how they often accuse trans people of coercion? It just seems like they’re just mad that their bigotry doesn’t go unchallenged anymore. Nobody is entitled to date anyone, yeah ok, but you’re not entitled to be a bigot and escape criticism either. 😭
This obsession with “biological sex” is ridiculoussssss dude. They put this shit on a pedestal and is so like, weirdly reductionist for people who claim to care about the complexity of women’s experiences. They’ll say “biology is real!” like that means anything?? Biology has always been messy and full of variation. It absolutely does not conform to their braindead worldview.
TERFs just want feminism without solidarity. Liberation without inclusion. That's literally all I'm getting from this. Mfs will go on and on and on about male violence AND IN THE SAME BREATH, I SHIT YOU NOT, ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH FAR-RIGHT BIGOTS WHO HATE WOMEN JUST AS MUCH AS THEY DO WITH TRANS PPL 😭😭
Yeah uhm..this in response to that terf shifters post. (https://www.tumblr.com/shifting-club-for-xxs/780074853475762176/faqs)
@shifting-club-for-xxs
I read through everything (didn't convince me of thinking of you positively btw) but there were two paragraphs that were said that actually LIKE ACTUALLY irked the shit outta me
"— Unfortunately you have been lied to by the trans community. Every intersex person is either a male or female with an intersex condition only applicable to either the male or female sex; there is no such thing as a true hermaphrodite in the human species. Diferences in how sex operates in the animal kingdom is meaningless because you are not a seahorse. You are a human. Human sex is not a gradient where one side is female and one side is male and you can be placed at any point along the axis; you are either male (of the sex that is capable of producing spermatozoa) or female (of the sex that is capable of creating ovum). Folks with conditions that alter their chromosome make-up and/or genital structure and/or ability to produce sex gametes are the exceptions that prove the rule of binary sex rather than proof that sex is non-binary, as these people are still male or female, they are just a male or female with a condition that is specific to their natal sex. Radical feminists are sympathetic towards, and allies of, intersex people; we want to see genuine justice and improvements made in the medical sector, and wider societal understanding and empathy when it comes to the lives of intersex individuals. The way that the trans community views and uses intersex people as pawns in their arguments does not help improve the lives of intersex people in any way"
First with the way you talked about intersex people?? Wtf?? “Every intersex person is just male or female with a condition” that's not some science, that's the need control over language and identity. You sound like you're trying to cram biological reality into some binary box that nature dgaf about. Intersex people exist because human sex development isn't infallibly binary. Chromosomes can vary. Hormones can vary. Anatomy can vary. There are intersex people who cannot be categorized as strictly male or female without some sort of arbitrary decision which is usually made WITHOUT their consent through surgeries done to force their bodies to conform to the comfort zone of people like YOU and not theirs.
To say that intersex people “prove the rule” of binary sex is like saying birth defects prove the rule of perfect human anatomy. It's bs and insulting. Biology is not beholden to your ideology. Nature doesn’t care about definitions. And intersex people aren't being “used” by the trans community?? Tf?? They're apart of conversations because many of them have actual experiences in how damaging forced binary thinking can be. If you really gaf about intersex people you’d listen to them and not use them as a convenient exception to wave away the inconvenient reality that sex, in humans, like in every other species, is messy, diverse, and sometimes is resistant to categorization.
That whole statement made it hard for me to belive you care about them when it just sounds like you're trying to preserve authority over how people exist and want to define themselves. Science moves forward by confronting complexity. Not retreating into oversimplification because it makes you uncomfortable or some shit. Keep them out of your mouth and stop using them for this sick justification, honestly.
"- The real question is: how can you be pro-trans and pro-homosexuality at the same time? Most trans activists are blissfully unaware of how incompatible the T is with the LGB. Lesbians, Gay men, and Bisexuals all experience same sex attraction, and this is why they have community together. The trans community experiences something entirely different; they experience the desire to express themselves in a way that feels incongruent with their current body or presentation (usually due to the mental illness of body dysmorphia presenting as gender dysphoria, internalised misogyny, outright misogyny, a desire to fill a void where they have not fostered a genuine sense of self or personality for themselves, and/or some form of sexual philia, e.g. autogynephilia). Unless these people also experience same sex attraction, there is no need for them to have community with LGB people; they have been far, far less influential on the progress of gay rights in the Western world than you have been led to believe by the trans activist echo chambers online. Furthermore, when you coerce or shame someone into sleeping with you, it is an act of rape, plain and simple."
"And the trans community are worryingly comfortable with shaming and coercing people into including them within their dating pool. There are countless incidents of trans identified males ranting angrily about how lesbians don't want to sleep with them and how this is in some way an act of literal violence against trans people. This is no different to so-called "cisgender" men telling lesbians that they are also lesbians because they too are attracted to women."
"Ultimately, homosexuality is attraction to the same sex, not the same gender presentation; it is homo-sex-uality not homo-gender-uality. Gay men don't like pussy, lesbians don't like penis, and to say otherwise is logically homophobia; this would have been common knowledge about fifteen years ago before the obsession with trans ideology swept online left-wing spaces. Unfortunately, now this fact of nature is seen as transphobic. Homosexual lives are seen as transphobic. Transphobia leads to homophobia. And therefore we are staunchly anti-homophobia rather than bending the knee to any gender ideology."
Bro...Y'all reading this shit? 😭
whole argument is just bad faith, PURE ignorance, like actually, and a HUGEEE misunderstanding of both trans people and the history of the LGBTQ+ community. I cannot believe your actually spouting this rhetoric and just reading the first paragraph made me actually turn off my phone cuz wtf 💀
The idea that trans people don’t belong in the queer community is OUTRIGHT BS. Trans people were there first. Do you know Marsha P. Johnson?? Sylvia Rivera?? countless trans women and drag queens who were leading the charge at Stonewall?? Trans people like bled in the streets while many “respectable” gays stayed closeted. The rights lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals enjoy today exist because trans and gender non-conforming people fought tooth and nail for them. Don't try and rewrite literal queer history just because it’s inconvenient to your narrative. That's actually fucking disgusting.
The whole “homosexuality is about sex, not gender” line is absolutely fucking BONKERS because sexual orientation is DEFINITELY tied to presentation, gender expression, and social context. We the people are not attracted to floating chromosomes bro 😭. We're attracted to bodies, voices, behavior, energy, and identity. Are there lesbians who won’t date trans women? Yeah, 100%. Are there lesbians who do? Also yes, 100%. Why?? Gee I dunno maybe because humans aren’t robots running on strict sex-based programming?? They're complicated beings that have individual preferences. Ain't nobody forcing attraction. NOTHING can force attraction. What is being challenged, I'd say, is if your preferences come from a genuine desire or unexamined bigotry. Which I believe, is the second.
And this like.. idea that trans people are somehow uniquely predatory for wanting to be seen as desirable or worthy of love?? Is that fucking projection?? Cis men have policed women’s sexuality forever. The fact that trans women happen to vent their frustrations about rejection in tweets is no way some sort of equivalent to systemic male violence or rape culture. Are u fucking fr??
And last of all, that suggestion that trans rights and gay rights are in conflict?? Is this divide-and-conquer propaganda 💀?? The same conservative movements that hate trans people HATE gay people. Are you trying to make this shit a competition 😭?? They hate lesbians. They hate bisexuals. They DO NOT SEE YOU. AS. DIFFERENT. WE'RE ALL TARGETS TO THEM MORON. Throwing trans people under the bus won’t save you, it's literally just make you useful to the people who want all of us gone. What are you not getting here?
So, uhm...fuck no? transphobia does not in any way prevent homophobia. Transphobia is FUEL for homophobia. They come from the same place which is control, shame, and fear of anyone who lives outside that forceful box we know as conformity. This isn’t solidarity. It’s pure cowardice. Don't pmo PEON.
Yeah uhm..this in response to that terf shifters post. (https://www.tumblr.com/shifting-club-for-xxs/780074853475762176/faqs)
@shifting-club-for-xxs
I read through everything (didn't convince me of thinking of you positively btw) but there were two paragraphs that were said that actually LIKE ACTUALLY irked the shit outta me
"— Unfortunately you have been lied to by the trans community. Every intersex person is either a male or female with an intersex condition only applicable to either the male or female sex; there is no such thing as a true hermaphrodite in the human species. Diferences in how sex operates in the animal kingdom is meaningless because you are not a seahorse. You are a human. Human sex is not a gradient where one side is female and one side is male and you can be placed at any point along the axis; you are either male (of the sex that is capable of producing spermatozoa) or female (of the sex that is capable of creating ovum). Folks with conditions that alter their chromosome make-up and/or genital structure and/or ability to produce sex gametes are the exceptions that prove the rule of binary sex rather than proof that sex is non-binary, as these people are still male or female, they are just a male or female with a condition that is specific to their natal sex. Radical feminists are sympathetic towards, and allies of, intersex people; we want to see genuine justice and improvements made in the medical sector, and wider societal understanding and empathy when it comes to the lives of intersex individuals. The way that the trans community views and uses intersex people as pawns in their arguments does not help improve the lives of intersex people in any way"
First with the way you talked about intersex people?? Wtf?? “Every intersex person is just male or female with a condition” that's not some science, that's the need control over language and identity. You sound like you're trying to cram biological reality into some binary box that nature dgaf about. Intersex people exist because human sex development isn't infallibly binary. Chromosomes can vary. Hormones can vary. Anatomy can vary. There are intersex people who cannot be categorized as strictly male or female without some sort of arbitrary decision which is usually made WITHOUT their consent through surgeries done to force their bodies to conform to the comfort zone of people like YOU and not theirs.
To say that intersex people “prove the rule” of binary sex is like saying birth defects prove the rule of perfect human anatomy. It's bs and insulting. Biology is not beholden to your ideology. Nature doesn’t care about definitions. And intersex people aren't being “used” by the trans community?? Tf?? They're apart of conversations because many of them have actual experiences in how damaging forced binary thinking can be. If you really gaf about intersex people you’d listen to them and not use them as a convenient exception to wave away the inconvenient reality that sex, in humans, like in every other species, is messy, diverse, and sometimes is resistant to categorization.
That whole statement made it hard for me to belive you care about them when it just sounds like you're trying to preserve authority over how people exist and want to define themselves. Science moves forward by confronting complexity. Not retreating into oversimplification because it makes you uncomfortable or some shit. Keep them out of your mouth and stop using them for this sick justification, honestly.
"- The real question is: how can you be pro-trans and pro-homosexuality at the same time? Most trans activists are blissfully unaware of how incompatible the T is with the LGB. Lesbians, Gay men, and Bisexuals all experience same sex attraction, and this is why they have community together. The trans community experiences something entirely different; they experience the desire to express themselves in a way that feels incongruent with their current body or presentation (usually due to the mental illness of body dysmorphia presenting as gender dysphoria, internalised misogyny, outright misogyny, a desire to fill a void where they have not fostered a genuine sense of self or personality for themselves, and/or some form of sexual philia, e.g. autogynephilia). Unless these people also experience same sex attraction, there is no need for them to have community with LGB people; they have been far, far less influential on the progress of gay rights in the Western world than you have been led to believe by the trans activist echo chambers online. Furthermore, when you coerce or shame someone into sleeping with you, it is an act of rape, plain and simple."
"And the trans community are worryingly comfortable with shaming and coercing people into including them within their dating pool. There are countless incidents of trans identified males ranting angrily about how lesbians don't want to sleep with them and how this is in some way an act of literal violence against trans people. This is no different to so-called "cisgender" men telling lesbians that they are also lesbians because they too are attracted to women."
"Ultimately, homosexuality is attraction to the same sex, not the same gender presentation; it is homo-sex-uality not homo-gender-uality. Gay men don't like pussy, lesbians don't like penis, and to say otherwise is logically homophobia; this would have been common knowledge about fifteen years ago before the obsession with trans ideology swept online left-wing spaces. Unfortunately, now this fact of nature is seen as transphobic. Homosexual lives are seen as transphobic. Transphobia leads to homophobia. And therefore we are staunchly anti-homophobia rather than bending the knee to any gender ideology."
Bro...Y'all reading this shit? 😭
whole argument is just bad faith, PURE ignorance, like actually, and a HUGEEE misunderstanding of both trans people and the history of the LGBTQ+ community. I cannot believe your actually spouting this rhetoric and just reading the first paragraph made me actually turn off my phone cuz wtf 💀
The idea that trans people don’t belong in the queer community is OUTRIGHT BS. Trans people were there first. Do you know Marsha P. Johnson?? Sylvia Rivera?? countless trans women and drag queens who were leading the charge at Stonewall?? Trans people like bled in the streets while many “respectable” gays stayed closeted. The rights lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals enjoy today exist because trans and gender non-conforming people fought tooth and nail for them. Don't try and rewrite literal queer history just because it’s inconvenient to your narrative. That's actually fucking disgusting.
The whole “homosexuality is about sex, not gender” line is absolutely fucking BONKERS because sexual orientation is DEFINITELY tied to presentation, gender expression, and social context. We the people are not attracted to floating chromosomes bro 😭. We're attracted to bodies, voices, behavior, energy, and identity. Are there lesbians who won’t date trans women? Yeah, 100%. Are there lesbians who do? Also yes, 100%. Why?? Gee I dunno maybe because humans aren’t robots running on strict sex-based programming?? They're complicated beings that have individual preferences. Ain't nobody forcing attraction. NOTHING can force attraction. What is being challenged, I'd say, is if your preferences come from a genuine desire or unexamined bigotry. Which I believe, is the second.
And this like.. idea that trans people are somehow uniquely predatory for wanting to be seen as desirable or worthy of love?? Is that fucking projection?? Cis men have policed women’s sexuality forever. The fact that trans women happen to vent their frustrations about rejection in tweets is no way some sort of equivalent to systemic male violence or rape culture. Are u fucking fr??
And last of all, that suggestion that trans rights and gay rights are in conflict?? Is this divide-and-conquer propaganda 💀?? The same conservative movements that hate trans people HATE gay people. Are you trying to make this shit a competition 😭?? They hate lesbians. They hate bisexuals. They DO NOT SEE YOU. AS. DIFFERENT. WE'RE ALL TARGETS TO THEM MORON. Throwing trans people under the bus won’t save you, it's literally just make you useful to the people who want all of us gone. What are you not getting here?
So, uhm...fuck no? transphobia does not in any way prevent homophobia. Transphobia is FUEL for homophobia. They come from the same place which is control, shame, and fear of anyone who lives outside that forceful box we know as conformity. This isn’t solidarity. It’s pure cowardice. Don't pmo PEON.
All the mfs in here genuinely piss me tf off. Absolute losers. You have drs where trans ppl don't exist yet keep coming back to talk in this reality for like..what? I honestly hope none of you guys ever shift y'all are so pathetic.
Since I fully believe shaming transphobes is always morally correct, here's another one <3 Keep these maggots out of our community 🏳️⚧️
Feel free to reblog w more
"We don't tolerate bullying" girl you're whole ass transphobic??? That's bullying an entire minority??????? That's historically one of, if not THE most vulnerable??????? Fuck outta here
I'm being so deadass fuck all the Terf shifters. Y'all are so fucking annoying omfg. Stfu and go to a different reality so we don't gotta see y'all yap anymore holy fuck dude.
Hi!!! I'm a shifter but never really got on shifting tumblr until a few days ago and I almost wish I've done so sooner. Yall are so helpful omg.
The dr I'm intending to shift to is my F1 dr. I haven't really met a lot of people with those. Like..2 at most 💔