Movements Can And Will Evolve. Lmao The Point Is To Shock People Into Making Change, It's Very Simple.
movements can and will evolve. Lmao the point is to shock people into making change, it's very simple.
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No problem, but in my rambling, I was trying to be as polite as possible; I'm implying most kpop fandom works have the depth of a shallow pool. Besides blind praise that I don't feel most of it deserves, I really wouldn't have anything else to say. I was never rude to anyone, ever--they were simply reactive to me asking basic questions about the stories, which they couldn't answer. There are some fandom works I love, but there is no room to have a genuine conversation anymore. The artists are too sensitive to take basic level questions. I wouldn't waste my time critiquing a fan comic or fic that doesn't possess even simple plot structure. The rare times I have simply asked a worldbuilding question, the people get so offended not because I'm rude but they barely know what worldbuilding is. My writing or art isn't perfect, far from it. But the other fandoms I participated in left room for someone to call out stuff, or analyze. In this fandom specifically it's hard to do that because it's not that deep. I want to in my spare time, when I'm in the mood for exo content, to give someone who writes a good story a long comment. Maybe even ask a few questions, but it's a catch 22 situation. I understand exo fandom creators want their fandom back. I get that. I'd love more funny original exo content, but it's a different climate now. Somehow the one direction fandom is still making fanworks that get attention and get made into movies. But I just don't ever remember Anna Todd freaking out, because somebody asked her, why she put ab or c in her story. It wasn't a great story, but any critique good or bad she accepted rewrote and published it. And people who could read it for free still bought it, cause it's about respect. Respect is mutual. I would never blast someone else's story or anything like that. But many writers or even people making jokes, say things that are pretty far out, yet if you even slightly question it--you should just go somewhere else. No, I don't think asking an author what they want to hear is appropriate, it's not. If they wanted their comments or replies turned off to avoid noise they could easily do that.
Also by critique, besides me just telling the author my plain opinion, like I like the story structure, the characterization, pacing, descriptions? Or in terms of art, you can't say anything about anybody's art online, so I don't. I just heart what I like and keep moving. Fanart can be good, but a lot of it just isn't.
Creativity makes more of a mark than perfect digital art. Nothing feels handmade anymore or has passion. People can sense that. Again I'm not judging or saying I can do better, I am just being honest.
and to show a proper example here is a comment I once left.
I will blot out the author name and the character name. Usually I rarely comment. I don't feel like digging through all my old profiles to find more. I can compliment a creator all day, but many don't have much to say. Which is fine, but this author in particular, really really wanted people to comment. I felt bad so I did. It feels like they want comments so their work will seem popular more than they want to create a good story.
This was not a bad interaction it just felt like a pointless one, is this the type of response people want? In the past even teen romance writers had more substance. In the end I just feel like this works when a fandom is full of very young people who are happy with pointless conversations, but mature people want something real to talk about.
I wish y'all good luck though, hopefully some of what I and others said can help the way creators choose to interact with their audience in the future.
I Have a (few) question(s) for Exol.
I'm genuinely curious as to the answers, so if you see this could you please do me the favour of signal boosting this so it reaches more people?
I see posts circulating now and again about lack of interaction on fandom creation posts. No one reblogs. No one comments. But I never see anyone asking why. Is it simply a matter of being in the middle of an etiquette shift? Is it crossplanted members of social media communities having different social norms? Has the way people use Tumblr shifted? Speculation only goes so far so to better understand what I'd like to know is the following:
How long have you been on Tumblr? Any fandom not just Exo.
What is your take on fan created works on Tumblr and interacting with them?
Do you have a process for what goes on your blog? How do you find most of the posts you reblog? Through the dash? Through the tags?
Do you spend time on other platforms? Have you in the past?
How do you interact with fan creations on these other platforms? Do you like comment or share? Do you re-tweet? Etc.
When was the last fic of any length (drabble and blurbs and headcanons/reactions included) you read? Last time you saw fanart (including edits and moodboards and graphics) you enjoyed?
Did you reblog it?
If yes you did reblog did you say anything about it? Simple or otherwise? Leave a gif underneath that expressed how you felt? Put a comment in the tags? Left an emoji? Etc.
If you didn't leave commentary was there a reason? Do you feel like you start to repeat yourself when commenting? Do you think there's nothing to say? Were you following the adage if you cant say something nice dont say anything at all? Other reasons?
If no you did not reblog why? Is there a specific reason? Did you not like it and not want to say? Does it not fit your blog? Was it not a length or level of skill you felt warranted a reblog? Have your friends already seen it? Do you only post your own creations? Other reasons?
For our fan creators I have an extra question. Do you reply to your comments? Even if they're in the tags?
If no is there a reason?
Please take a moment and share your answers cause I'm trying to understand where things shifted from what they were before to now.
Shoutout to me from a few years ago who was super bored during that time and had too many intrusive thoughts that won.
One of those being the need to see what Kai and Taeyong's face would look like mashed up
I have more but many were deleted out of...not shame..but I was just like nah the world isn't ready, but these came out okay.
2. I mean either political or aligned with a certain way of thinking. For example an important part of art is critiquing and analyzing. I find in exo, sm, and kpop spaces it isn't acceptable to give honest opinions on art. Therefore it's hard to interact with art positively is you cannot even interact with the work itself in a conductive way. For example, there was once a web comic based on Wolf and a few of shinee's contents a long time ago. Fans now tend to ignore the mythos, not discuss it and create fan work completely separate from the reality of the kpop universe. This is a problem for me. If the work reflected more on the reality of exo, even the real life hard hitting issues they face or things that fit the group them I could see myself interacting with it more. Fanwork tends to ignore almost everything but looks and shipping.
Like chibi, or an anime version of the members...like I like art but it feels like dehumanization rather than art in terms of appreciation, you know? Like a lot of people were anime fans and then get into kpop because of the makeup, plastic surgery and their willingness to do fanservice. Like real life anime.
Anyway, in essence there is not much to discuss with current works. To make a more specific example, dc comics tends to write stories that are relevant to todays world, and fandom works do the same. You will see fancomics talk about even more relevant topics than the comics and movies and shows.
Even singers back in the day had movies about real life or interesting topics. Micheal Jackson fans to this day create projects based off of him. Even fans who grew up to make cartoons and movies make characters inspired by his projects. To me that is what makes fanworks interesting and worth checking out. Not just it being pretty.
I suppose a part of it is on the companies. They don't do enough to inspire the fans either. The concept can be great, but it isn't discussed and often ignored by the artists, they hardly talk about it. So I suppose fans do the same. For me it's a miss. Like Obsession was a great concept with terrible promotion and execution. The fanworks and art to me also had potential to be great but they ignore the themes.
To be even more specific, with Rover, great concept, great execution but that is a rare case. I think if the fandom was bigger and more active it could of been even better.
I also recognize fans are doing unpaid labor and get little in return for their work. The companies don't reward the fans at all.
Could you elaborate on how you mean people expect you to have certain opinions? And also when you say they'll talk to you a certain way and kpop fans are extremely disrespectful...is there a scenario you can give me to better understand?
6. For example, I wasn't really active in the fandoms so it's hard to give a clear example. But when call me baby came out in 2015, I thought it was really good, but looking back it did borrow a lot from bands like Nsync and such. That could be talked about more, fans do not want to hear that nor compare kpop to it's influences. I believe one moment in a mv teaser came directly from pinterest... I'm only saying this because I noticed it myself and others noticed it later.
If I were to bring this up, it would be bashed. It's just what I've seen and experienced. Even comparing two good works is seen as an insult. I am not saying every fan does this, it is probably the minority, but the minority talks the loudest in the kpop fandom. It's a bit too much.
If I say that Kai is inspired by another artist, yet he didn't say it out his own mouth, people will say, you are trying to degrade him as an artist. In Rover his Mv was inspired clearly by several other mediums, again people do not want to hear that, they only want direct praise, no other discussion about the work. It feels like there is no point. I am not a kindergartener. I do not want to act like I am watching a children's cartoon. Like I must clap, smile and say nothing intelligent. It gets tiring after awhile. It was fine as a young teen, but even then it was annoying.
Even a comment about something casual. Like for example, sometimes kpop idols go on vacation and hypothetically they went to a nightclub and have something from the nightclub. And I or someone else says 'oh hey he must have went here'. They would go crazy, if you do that 'you are trying to expose them', or start rumors that they are dating. It's mad. I don't really understand why kpop idols can't date. That is another thing that I just cannot get about the fandom. The korean public I somewhat accept because that is their culture. But american fans know good and well they could never stop justin bieber from dating back when he was up and coming, NEVER, it doesn't make sense how if you imply they may date a girl or guy--they get upset. It makes me uncomfortable. I cannot accept behavior like that. It is immoral. Love is a human right. So to be clear that is another large thing. Shipping is fine but even in one direction, people would ship larry on monday but that didn't mean eleanor would disappear on tuesday. Shipping to me in the context of kpop is different, yes other western fandoms ship but the people can date publicly, they can say hey I like this person, or I went on a date last tuesday. Kpop idols cannot. So it's not the same thing. It is a method of control. All of one direction had long term girlfriends and fiancee's from the start of the group. That's another thing I don't get. The scandal of being a grown adult and dating, and the western fans going along with it. I don't like it.
That also makes it hard to enjoy content knowing how toxic the fandom is.
So to be clear, even if you enjoyed (this is an assumption based on the use of the word appreciate) something, it only gets a reblog if it's something that fits your style? How do you define style? Do you mean personal aesthetic? Or does it more mean something fits your personality
Yes. Basically. I may also reblog it if I want to commentate something, but with kpop it's usually best if you say nothing to avoid hate. I don't like to argue so I feel like there's no point draining my energy with an irrational person. Style can be interchanged with vibe. Just something lighthearted, or important. I'm not a strict on what I reblog it just has to be noteable. I will reblog a cow or a cat picture with the same vigor as I'll reblog modern art, or a golden girls or parks and recreation meme. As long as it is something that to me is relatively wholesome, nice to look at and not low vibrational. So I guess something that fits my personality but also my individuality.
I Have a (few) question(s) for Exol.
I'm genuinely curious as to the answers, so if you see this could you please do me the favour of signal boosting this so it reaches more people?
I see posts circulating now and again about lack of interaction on fandom creation posts. No one reblogs. No one comments. But I never see anyone asking why. Is it simply a matter of being in the middle of an etiquette shift? Is it crossplanted members of social media communities having different social norms? Has the way people use Tumblr shifted? Speculation only goes so far so to better understand what I'd like to know is the following:
How long have you been on Tumblr? Any fandom not just Exo.
What is your take on fan created works on Tumblr and interacting with them?
Do you have a process for what goes on your blog? How do you find most of the posts you reblog? Through the dash? Through the tags?
Do you spend time on other platforms? Have you in the past?
How do you interact with fan creations on these other platforms? Do you like comment or share? Do you re-tweet? Etc.
When was the last fic of any length (drabble and blurbs and headcanons/reactions included) you read? Last time you saw fanart (including edits and moodboards and graphics) you enjoyed?
Did you reblog it?
If yes you did reblog did you say anything about it? Simple or otherwise? Leave a gif underneath that expressed how you felt? Put a comment in the tags? Left an emoji? Etc.
If you didn't leave commentary was there a reason? Do you feel like you start to repeat yourself when commenting? Do you think there's nothing to say? Were you following the adage if you cant say something nice dont say anything at all? Other reasons?
If no you did not reblog why? Is there a specific reason? Did you not like it and not want to say? Does it not fit your blog? Was it not a length or level of skill you felt warranted a reblog? Have your friends already seen it? Do you only post your own creations? Other reasons?
For our fan creators I have an extra question. Do you reply to your comments? Even if they're in the tags?
If no is there a reason?
Please take a moment and share your answers cause I'm trying to understand where things shifted from what they were before to now.
13/14/15 year olds debuting in kpop IS a problem and i wish kpop stans would stop pretending it’s not thank u
he like lives in south A he should make a spanish album and then star in a telenovela on the cw. He should be in the jane the virgin reboot.
( IG 3/26 ) 🥰
it would take a full year to put together all the sus stuff going on at sm. From the tid bit of truth that has leaked out they are trying to make it seem like a family squabble when in reality the family is trying to procure as much cash as possible sell the company then dip out never to be seen or heard from again. I feel bad for the artists who stayed out of loyalty cause sm obviously doesn't care about them. How in the world they managed to fumble one of their top artists, an ambassador for years getting to attend cruise24 is almost comical. Sm is a future documentary on industry corruption waiting to happen. It feels like the company is being run by like 12 people who dont get paid enough to care. They literally at times don't even try or if they do its so pitiful it seems like they want people to stop supporting the company and its artist it's so strange. I wonder if the company lost its favor with the Chaebols or something. Something suspicious is going on with korean ent in general though. I'll elaborate later its like 3 am rn
Also im still confused on how the enlistment blindsided them. There's something they aren't saying, then an update about not sending mail..idc that's weird, what about an update on how you literally didn't know someone had to go to the military with like a week's notice. Something just isn't right. Planning a whole comeback and that's not something they were concerned about at all. How? It doesn't make since. Why would they think he had until at least the middle of the year, what made them so sure? People dismiss the bad lying problem such a large company has. Also I am also noting how they dont really promote their artist. They spend millions on mvs and albums and then push it for a few weeks something isn't right. I get they make money off albums so why promote but that in today's fast past industry is so so small minded when there is so much money to be made with simple things like buzzfeed puppy interviews or release remixes not made by talentless people but they just..dont do it. It's odd. Very odd. Sm is weird
Like the stuff I read in these articles said by their own artists literally sound fake but it's not. They wanted to promote rover for like a week...that doesnt even make sense.
Actually the entire rover promo was weird and I'll do another post about that. Long story short it's weird that for something so highly anticipated there was little to no actual promo. Kji takes the reigns and just picks and chooses stuff he likes but that isn't a good idea. But people at s.m tbh don't really care, sure why not 40 year olds who watch Lego vids will love rover except no no they won't. He's literally painfully shy and doing stuff that he likes makes him more comfortable and that's great but at the same time they are an entertainment company all those years they cant get a coach or something for that. This company pains me.
They shelve comebacks for new groups like its nothing. While Nct has like 20 albums and 15 youtube channels but for what? There is no way in this universe nct will ever earn its keep, too many mouths to feed too many members they could be no 1 one in the world and still not break even. 7 members is hard to distribute wealth evenly even 4 member top earning groups complain about splitting money.. Then depending on the year some members may barely work at all its just so poorly thought out. Many of them don't have another career path to take some do but others dont if the group doesn't work out and they decide to Lucas them because of a scandal then what? If their family has money or a business for them to fall back on then cool but if not..even if they take the money they made and flip it they will not get the lost time back.
I was just chilling out and trying not to comment on what's going on but like I just cant this is a mess
And taeyong is finally getting a mini album like a year before he goes to the army.. after basically promoting his own self for years which now and days you have to. lets not pretend they aren't just giving him the solo to keep him in the company. It never fails they know if they don't give him what he wants he'll leave and he has the fanbase to do it. For some reason they never give the visuals of the group solos too young, if at all. they always wait until they are either injured severely or past their prime so they won't leave. They did the same thing with kai.
And ofc there's more to it than just that but this is enough for now
This is gonna sound so fake, so for the past few days I had tyla water in my head for his like album concept.
possible spoiler alert ig idk
So like I think it's not made yet they must be creating the concept and finishing the details rn, cause otherwise they wouldn't be doing all this obvious stuff. So since we still got time left here's some themes I want to be in the album
Siren vibes, but they can also add in beach vibes as well like tropical
there can be a reverse little mermaid story for the shortfilm
orr more aqua marine upbeat vibes
or like a fusion and make it sci fi
Honestly idk I have a bunch of theories cause it can also be more like beyonce's photoshoot
I just think they should go more indie and artsy and leave out the huge dance numbers that don't fit
What if the album cover is like 2005 blue crush vibes
I think the mv can be filmed more scenic
I have this huge marine spirit theory I made but it's like..eh nobody even knows what that is. Apparently people think it's all based off of some freaking manga. When that's total b.s mermaid legends exist globally I highly doubt over a literal decade of water symbology since his DEBUT, is based off a manga, please. Specifically in africa, I would like to just post all my theories but I don't really want to. But I would love to tie in the south american catholic symbolism in rover, cause there's so much, and it honestly goes perfectly with this beach theme, but I really don't have anything to prove so.
There is also pirates of the caribbean influence in peaches and years ago he said that was his favorite movie and they had mermaids in one film.
At the same times there's also a lot of atlantis references in peaches so I'm curious if it will be a red herring or it will actually tie into the mythos. Because in rover and mhmm he was in a dry desert but there were hints of him being locked in some type of water tank? in mhmm. But that could be a reference to them using him as a power source because water is a conductor. Idc what the internet says oceanic water has lots of salt and can respond to electricity. Also lightning in the sky is possible due to clouds. It's science somewhere in there, the ions and water and air creates energy.
Again it's still dealing with the four elements and creation energy so they are almost treating him like the creator deities in ancient egypt.
Though I am interested in how they are going to pull off the siren theme because mermen aren't usually seen in the media.
Although he's had the symbolism for years.
But I would love to at least get a legit analysis out before the album. I was supposed to do one years ago but it's like idk how people would react to it.
his teasers were more or less based off the four elements well five including the ether and /or electricity.
But water and sea life was the most prominent symbol for him and it's seen in almost every project that he has
in reality he's mostly portraying a creation god which is why he's in so many teasers and the others are usually in the teasers with him. His time stopping powers begin from debut also.
So it's clear he's a primordial diety not a simple one. Which is why in rover he kept switching identities because they recreate themselves over and over again.
Honestly I think their was so much attention on him having so many teasers no one actually considered that there was an actual purpose behind them or the exo mythos. Due to the fact that a majority of the concepts became intertwined with so many pop cultural moments at the time. Particularly when they began reenacting twilight and it was seen as cringe, I think the mythos became a running gag rather than something people actually paid attention to. Also there's so many cross references with other pop cultural works in kji's albums and things they were trying to recreate it got all muddled up so now people don't tie things together.
Like after peaches era they took a break and let him perform and tour. They still were continuing the mythos. There was tons of little easter eggs. I don't think I was psychic when I kept predicting what his next album was going to be it's just common sense. They always made sure his projects lined up with one another. They just also cover it up with so much drama and mess most people forget about it cause it "doesn't matter" the gossip matters even though it disappears after like few months.
Andante 2017 he had a love interest named Bom
Bom in Korean means spring
He volunteers at a hospice and frequently gets involved in their lives. He becomes emotionally attached to them and fixes varies issues for other people. In the show he acts like a guardian angel of sorts.
In the end of the show Bom "dies" of a brain disease but he still imagines her as being there.
2017
Kokobop
In the music video he has a tattoo of an angel on his neck
January 13, 2018
He was in a drama called spring has come
The female main character was called Naoko which in japanese means
In the show Naoko was innocent and easily tricked by Jiwon and was deceived by his charming and innocent appearance, frequently helping him out and loaning him money in hopes of him creating a life with her. She did all of it in hopes that he would marry her, but emotionally he was traumatized by his mother trying to murder him.
The show is a metaphor for death and birth shown by the visualizations of marriage and intimacy. Spring representing rebirth and creation.
Jiwon acted as the director of the family and was able to "fix them" and make them perfect just like he does his subject in the first episode.
Due to his interference the family goes from disgruntled to happy. Although his motives remain unknown.
April 2, 2018
he played an angel in miracle that we met that accidentally takes the wrong life and must try to fix the situation. It's a mix of guardian angel/ greek gods messing with the affairs of humans. He tries to reunite the original husband and wife but can't. Throughout the show he tries to make it up to her and they develop and emotional bond.
It reminds me of the concept of the film the preacher's wife where dudly is supposed to be helping the married couple but ends up falling for the wife himself. To be fair he only began getting entangled with the wife after the husband abandoned her but still
I do find it interesting that most gifs are of him and the female character that he dances with at the end of the show, but that "female character" is actually his male shapeshifting boss Mao and there was no romance there. I believe they are actually spiritual brothers.
The only "romance" or emotional subplot he had on the show is with the wife character
But I think cause of the age gap it went over people's head, even though his character is most likely older than her but whatever.
I think people don't understand subtlety in romance drama's like he picked out her clothes it's kinda obvious.
This angel who doesn't follow instructions character also coincidentally would align with his rover symbolism where he "played" a fallen angel.
It's especially interesting because Mao was known as the one with 10,000 faces or identities
the writing on the portal is also not korean, I couldn't find out exactly but it looks thai or arabic or based off that type of script? Enochian? Idk
It's almost like they like maybe pushed to get him roles that tied into the exo mythos. They apparently have a binder all the way from the 80s or 90s from lsm.
In the show the kids who encountered Ato and saw his powers in person join a forum called miracle that we met, which is where the title of the show comes from. The forum is a place where people trade stories about seeing supernatural beings like angels and aliens.
One of the kids in the show theorized that Ato was just a model that nasa had created--- some type of a.r model characters to roam around the earth and mess with people. Which is really interesting cause at the time nobody really knew about that. This came out after the space force began to publicize more information about their projects.
But this show was in 2018...interesting.
Even more interesting is that Kai had an Augmented reality type concert film.
Like they're getting a little too sloppy. So I'm pretty sure I can figure out the theme or at least I can try.
end of pt 1
