Re: Prev Ask And Tim's Foot-in-mouth Syndrome — I Think People Make Too Much Out Of Tim's "it Was Terrible

re: prev ask and tim's foot-in-mouth syndrome — i think people make too much out of tim's "it was terrible for me to see your parents die" monologue in alpod because like, yeah it was objectively a little tactless, but the scene is written so bluntly and gravely because marv wolfman was trying to impress upon the reader just how profound an impact the graysons' death made on tim, and how this defines his character; he did this by way of having tim try to impress upon dick how much of an impression the event made on him.

and the thing is, tim isn't just saying this unprompted. he is very much thinking about how even discussing the story will cause dick pain! he literally tells dick he doesn't want to tell him the story because it will hurt him. dick is the one who insists that tim tell him the entire story, and tim still apologizes to dick both before and after he does so:

Two panels from the comic arc "A Lonely Place of Dying" depicting Tim Drake and Dick Grayson in Wayne Manor. Tim is sitting in a chair, and Dick is taking a seat in another chair next to him. Alfred stands nearby.

PANEL 1:
TIM: Okay, you won't take me seriously until I tell you everything. Dick, I don't want this to hurt you. And I'm really afraid it might.
DICK: Tim, just tell your story, please.

PANEL 2:
TIM: All right, all right. Well, first, my name's TIM DRAKE...and though you won't remember it, we've met before.
Two panels from the comic arc "A Lonely Place of Dying" depicting Tim Drake and Dick Grayson in Wayne Manor. Dick is facing away from Tim, looking at a window.

PANEL 1:
TIM: I'm sorry, Dick. I really am. I told you I didn't want to HURT you by telling you all this.

PANEL 2:
TIM: Dick...
DICK: It's all right, Tim.

a lot of people also seem to believe that tim said something along the lines of ''watching your parents die was the worst thing that ever happened to me'' which. is absolutely not what he said. he never centres his own feelings on the event, and he never implies that it was worse for him than for dick. he only said that — understandably — it was frightening and he had nightmares about it:

A screenshot of a page from the comic arc "A Lonely Place of Dying" which has been cropped to focus on specific speech bubbles. Tim Drake says, "I was only a kid, but I don't think I'll EVER forget what happened. I had nightmares about it for YEARS. First about your parents, then about Batman." Other visible speech bubbles have been whited out.

and also like. what was tim supposed to say instead of "it gave me nightmares"? what do you want him to say here. "oh yeah my first memory was watching your beloved parents fall to their brutal deaths. but it didn't affect me at all and i actually never cared" ???? come on now

Four panels from the comic arc "A Lonely Place of Dying":

In the FIRST PANEL, Tim Drake speaks to Dick Grayson and Alfred stands behind Dick. Half of this panel depicts a flashback, coloured in shades of red, showing a very young Tim having a nightmare in bed with drawings of Batman on the wall behind him. Tim says, "My parents sent a copy of the picture they took to you and then they forgot all about it. Trouble was, I didn't forget. I never told them, but for years I kept having the SAME NIGHTMARE over and over again."

The SECOND PANEL and THIRD PANEL are a flashback-slash-dream sequence, drawn in shades of red and black. They depict John and Mary Grayson doing acrobatics, then falling from the broken trapeze. The panels are overlaid with a white outline of Tim's eyes and eyebrows, looking afraid. Boxes with Tim's dialogue read, "First, I'd watch you do your quadruple somersault, then your parents would fall, and fall. ...But they'd never land."

In the FOURTH PANEL, Tim stands behind Dick, who looks away from him out a window. Tim looks urgent, and says, "Then Batman appeared and just as I'd start crying, he'd SAVE me. First alone, then after he met you, with ROBIN."

the most objectively tactless or foot-in-mouth line tim has in this entire scene is "my parents [...] forgot all about it [...] but for years i kept having having the same nightmare over and over again." and of course we can argue that it was tasteless for tim to essentially be saying he had imagined himself, somewhat positively, in dick's shoes — but again, this was really wolfman using the medium of character dialogue to emphasize that tim idolizes dick! this entire arc is tim's character introduction; there are multiple instances where the "logical" line is altered in favour of exposition and backstory. wolfman is balancing dialogue with the need to introduce tim drake instead of just having it blandly written out in one long block of third-person text.

all this to say, tim drake absolutely Does have an issue with putting his foot directly into his mouth as a kid, but his backstory scene in a lonely place of dying is not at all a good example of this. luckily there are many others. always remember to be accurate with your tim drake hate

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Recently this is the only thing capable of pumping some dopamine in my ADHD brain so this is what u get lol

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Just an experiment. Reblog if you actually give a fuck about male victims of domestic violence and rape.

Of fucking course

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1 year ago

Fair enough, i do the same

I think the batkids should have incomprehensible nicknames for one another.

For example: When Jason and Dick are getting to know each other, Jason’s phone keeps autocorrecting “Dick” to “duck.” This leads Jason to start calling Dick “Duck,” which then morphs into “Duckie,” then “Rubber Duckie,” and then it finally changes to “Ernie.”

an image of the muppet Ernie holding a rubber duck.
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Heh. Forgot abt the grey goo

Humans and Boredom V

Matter recycling and restructuring.

One of the most useful technologies any space faring civilization can develop is the ability to transform nearly any form of matter into almost any other on the molecular level (atomic would be perfect, but that's a bit more complex and power intensive). The most typical method is swarms of simplistic nanomachines - tell them to disassemble whatever junk you throw their way into convenient high density cylinders for each type of element or alloy found that the more sophisticated (and slower) nanomachines in the printers can then use to make all of the everything else.

Humanity is no exception to this, but they do have their own way of producing some of the more rare types of matter via a little thing they do with their true fusion reactors:

They deliberately overload and blow them up. "Contained" supercharged nuclear explosions using an actual (miniature) star.

"We've got a saying - when you've got a hammer, or in this case - tiny stars - every problem begins to look like a nail that needs an explosion."

Regardless of their insanity, as always, their version of nanomachine reassembly swarms is far more grotesque and dangerous.

For starters, they call them Grey Holes for the simple reason that normally you should not be able to see the nanomachines, as, well, they are on the atomic scale. But not here, no, crank up the density so high that you can see them, and oh yeah, keep them on and active at all times.

Fine, I will be fair and say that Humans do also have normal reassembly chambers that are fully contained, you insert the matter, close the gate, activate the machines, and in a few minutes safely take out the matter cylinders.

What I'm talking about here is a massive, visible, uncontained save for a magnetic field, always active swarm of ravenous nanomachines. They use this Grey Hole, well, okay, that's it's technical name, the workers call it PacMan.

Anyway, they move this PacMan over to a derelict cruiser, a Human cruiser by the way, so when I say massive, I mean it can engulf something that is several kilometers across. In a matter of just a few minutes, they move the PacMan from one end of the gigantic ship to the other. Minutes. Sometimes they play versions of this chipper tune as well. Were it not for the fact a simple electronic pulse even the smallest of ships can generate could fry the tiny brains of these simple machines, no doubt a Dissolution event would have occurred countless times across the Galaxy.

...hmm?

Humans call it the Grey Goo event?

And they knowingly call their reassembly nanomachine swarms Grey Holes. Right. Okay.

sigh Sometimes it feels Humans WANT an apocalypse to happen...


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