Carver Is The Worst Thing That Has Happened To Supernatural. So Where Are The Complaints? Why Has He

Do they not pay attention to J2 panels because this is like “so……” I love how they’re always rubbing in our faces things we don’t give a shit about. It’s so fucking funny.

I’m confused. What exactly do Cockles shippers believe transpired in what I presume to be a public restroom?  Besides the disposal of bodily waste from whichever orifice needed attention?  

"Cockles coming out of the bathroom together" how does it feel j2 shippers

???

Lucifer Sam was so good Pink Floyd wrote a song about him more than 40 years before he even came into being :)

This about sums it up.

+1 to everything you said. 

Seriously, if your first instinct upon meeting a famous person (whether it be musician, actor, athlete, whatever) that you like (or dislike, for that matter) is “what can I do to make this person uncomfortable” you need to step back and reevaluate your priorities. Pulling a prank like that would not be “hilarious”, but inappropriate and disrespectful. 

I reported the company too, for encouraging harrassment. Hopefully they’re just trying to get some free publicity and nothing will come of this, because it could turn out incredibly ugly and embarrassing for everyone involved. 

I was thinking of this prank some shippers intend to pull on Jensen by bringing him some lube for the San Diego comic con. That's a funny idea, don't you think so? I ship J2 and nothing else, but still it would be hilarious. He's such a prude and would bring him out of his shell more.

No, I don’t think it’s a funny idea.  Not at all.  

This isn’t about shipping at all, this is about making actors uncomfortable and I will never support that, never.

Do you know the definition of the word prude?  Here it is for you:

Does that sound like Jensen to you?  The guy who has had plenty of sexual scenes on Supernatural?  

First of all, Jensen is not a prude.  Jensen is more reserved, yes, but not a prude.  Second of all, Jensen doesn’t need to be out of his shell anymore.  He can come out of his shell as much or as little as he wants.  He’s perfect just as he is.  If he wants to come out of his shell more, he will and he will do so on his own terms.  But he doesn’t have to, not by any means.  

This whole prank is bizarre.  When I first read it I thought it was some sick joke just on the internet, but when I saw that some people were actually planning on doing it I felt sick.  

Jensen has done so much for this fandom and yet the Destiel shippers can never seem to respect him.  That’s right, the Destiel shippers.  I don’t like to ship hate - actually, I don’t ship hate and I’m all about letting people ship what they want to ship.  But in cases like this shippers take it way too far and it is almost always the Destiel shippers in the Supernatural fandom that take things too far.  Jensen has repeatedly expressed his dislike and discomfort of being asked shipping questions and even stated that he was thankful Dean and Cas had less scenes together in season 9 because it cut down on the shippers being insane and analyzing every little thing that happened.  

If I found out any J2 or Wincest shippers were doing this I would report, block, and completely disassociate myself from those particular people. 

But ignoring the shipping aspects of this prank, the fact that human beings think that it is okay to do this to another human being is disgusting.  I mean really, who first had the brilliant (please note the sarcasm) idea to associate lube with ships, especially ships nominated for the fucking TeenChoice awards?  TEEN CHOICE.  Like yes, I’m sure all the 13 year olds that voted even know what lube is.  It’s utterly bizarre and annoying as hell.  

Respecting actors is something all people should do.  Respecting actors who do as much as Jensen does for all of us should be a requirement.  This man has been working on this show for over a decade.  He has dedicated his life to it.  He has turned down big movie rolls and other rolls for this fandom.  He has attended conventions and put up with repeated questions and millions of pictures for fans.  He takes time away from his daughter for this fandom.  He puts everything he has into his acting for this fandom.  He has shed blood, sweat, and tears for this fandom and yet certain people still can’t find the decency to give him respect.  It’s baffling really.  

If people actually go through with this prank, I honestly don’t know what I will do, what Jensen will do, what Jared will do, or what SPN will do.  I have already reported the lube company on Twitter that is encouraging this.  That’s right, they are reported and blocked.  Yes, I am one measly person but hopefully others are doing it as well and it will at least mean something.  

Respect our actors, respect their wishes, respect their privacy, and consider others before you even think of doing something so stupid.  

I never thought the day would come when a video promoting a campaign supposedly in support of raising awareness about mental health issues would give me an anxiety attack.

Wow that new video of Misha’s is creepy as fuck.

My son is not synthetic

In approximately 9-weeks time I’m going to become a father. This weekend will mark week 29 of the pregnancy, and due to its specifics, labor is likely to be induced around week 38. If all goes to plan, before the end of May I’m going to be solely responsible for the life of a beautiful baby boy. I’m fortunate. In spite of the absurd lies told by society about masculinity, the instinct of fatherhood It’s the culmination of over 18-months of planning, and some extreme good fortune. It is of immense importance to me, it is not an anaemic thing, it is not a subordinate or inconsequential thing. I’m fortunate because for many gay men there is no way to easily realize the desire to be a parent. Unsurprisingly, and contrary to the picture of commodification painted by Domenico Dolce, there is no easy solution for a man wanting to become a father, where the old fashioned way is not an option. There are no uterus shops, no egg banks that we can go to, and in my country it’s even illegal to pay for surrogacy. For many men, therefore, adoption is the only option, and given the complexity of the adoption system, not to mention what was until recently open hostility to gay men, and particularly single gay men, adopting (hostility that Dolce verbalises in his recent contributions), often that option is no option at all. I am fortunate because I have a very close female friend who has spared me all of that, a gay friend who loves and values me enough to want to offer me an opportunity at something I had given up on.

My son was conceived by IVF using donor eggs. For the last 28 and a bit weeks he has been gestating away in squirmy, kicky happiness, and in 9-weeks time he’s going to come into this vast, incredible, complicated world and his entire life is going to be dependent on me. Everything he’s going to need, is going to be my responsibility: feeding and cleaning, nursing when he’s sick, boundaries when he’s acting out; toys, stimulation, education; he’s going to need to be shown how he can contribute to the world, how he can enjoy it, how he can live his life in it. Above all, he’s going to need the unconditional, unswerving love of a parent. And in that, he will be absolutely no different to all of the other children that come into this world, however they are conceived.

Nothing about him, therefore, and despite Dolce’s assertions, is synthetic. He is a real person. He has intrinsic value, and he has value to me, and to his mother, and to his wider family, and to the people who come to be his friends, to the woman or man who’ll one day be his lover. None of that is synthetic. None of that is less just because he was conceived by an egg “from a catalogue” and nurtured in the uterus of a woman who has had no sexual relationship with his father. His conception was no less an act of love, simply because his parents didn’t consummate a romantic relationship. The mere fact that we went to such extremes to bring him into existence is the exemplar of an act of love. Unlike in the case of some children conceived the “traditional” way, no child born in this manner is born for any other reason than love. No child born this way is unwanted, accidental, forced. Who is Domenico Dolce or Stefano Gabbana to say that the act of love that led to my son’s conception is a poorer kind of love, is an unworthy kind of love, is a less valuable kind of love than between a straight man and a straight woman? My love for my son is as fierce as any emotion I have ever felt; it isn’t a second place love. If his mother and I don’t love each other as a straight man and a woman might, what does it matter? I dare say our relationship of mutual respect and friendship will endure longer and be more productive than many marriages, and if anyone doubts the statistical fragility of straight relationships, I invite them to take a look at the divorce statistics for North America and Western Europe, or come spend a day with me in the Family Law Courts.

Western society has come a long way in a short period of time, and being gay doesn’t have the stigma that it used to have. But that doesn’t mean that it’s “easy”. There are still places in the world where they want to murder me just for being gay, places where I’ll be imprisoned, or whipped, or stoned, or hung, or thrown off a rooftop just because of who I fall in love with. There are still places in the West where I’d be called a pervert, or told I was disgusting, or that I was going to hell because God hates gays. There are still far too many places where people would call me “fag” or “homo” to my face, without knowing the first thing about me, except my sexuality. There are places where the majority believe I should never be allowed to have a family of my own, I shouldn’t be allowed to get married, I shouldn’t be allowed to be a father. Places where people think it’s perfectly okay to deny me the most fundamental, primal desires that most (albeit not all) human beings have: to be loved, to love, to have a family, to be a parent.

None of that is okay, but you get used to it. You don’t tolerate it, but you get used to it. After all, it’s a message, in one form or another, that I’ve heard since the day I was born, and sometimes from those closest to me. And, even now, that kind of stupid, evil homophobia isn’t the only obstacle I face. Even now, today, in 21st century Britain, there are obstacles I have to negotiate simply to be a parent, to be a father. Social policies that seek to restrict parenthood to couples, which put a limit on surrogacy and babies born by IVF. Laws which completely subordinate my rights to my son to the good will of his mother: I have no power to enforce the agreement I have with my friend, I have no inherent legal right to my child, in the same way that she has. If our friendship falls apart, my only recourse is the long, prohibitively expensive march through Family Law Courts that are weighed to favor the rights of my friend (regardless of her actual genetic relationship to my son), and which will likely facilitate whatever unreasonable behavior she might possibly choose to indulge. This, the archaic sentiment of a society simultaneously indulging oblique misogyny and explicit hypocrisy. But again, while none of that is okay, it’s something I’m used to, sufficiently used to take a calculated risk, to act on the trust and affection I place in my friend. Homophobia, bizarre quirks of sexism, I can cope with. I’m used to that.

What I find hard to cope with, however, is such nakedly stupid and vicious bigotry from within the LGBT community itself. I would expect such intentionally cruel comments from the usual suspects of the fanatical (“Christian”) right; I would not expect them from two luminaries of the LGBT community. I would not expect such idiotic, consistently disproven assertions as they have expressed: “The only family is the traditional one,” says Dolce. Whose tradition? Biblical tradition? Which one? The traditions in the Gospel? The traditions in Leviticus? Exodus? In Genesis? Or do you mean white European tradition? Then what of all the non-white European traditions that don’t look like yours? What about the countless traditions of countless non-white cultures extant in the world today that look nothing like your concept of a traditional family?  ”A child needs a mother and a father. I could not imagine my childhood without my mother. I also believe that it is cruel to take a baby away from its mother,” says Gabanna. Really? Firstly, that’s both an argument from ignorance and an argument from incredulity, and therefore a logical fallacy and therefore invalid; and secondly, your beliefs are completely irrelevant to fact. And the facts are these: No reputable sociological or psychological study conducted on children of gay couples (or gay singletons, for that matter) in the last decade, have shown any direct causation between the number or genders of parents and the wellbeing of their children. In fact, and to really put the knife in here, the children of gay parents tend to be, on average, smarter, happier and healthier than those of straight couples. So, not only is the argument invalid as a logical fallacy, it’s also simply wrong in fact. That it is an argument made by those who ought to know better makes it even worse.

And, there can be no argument that Dolce and Gabanna, of all people, should know better. I indulge a stereotype perhaps, but I struggle to believe that they are completely insulated from other gay people in light of their chosen profession; and they are also clearly smart and successful people, it’s not unreasonable to conclude that they should be quite capable of weighing the arguments on both sides, and concluding - as anyone with a brain and a moral compass has done - that the argument against gay families raising children is discredited, amoral garbage, and has no place in civilised society, much less coming out of the mouths of two gay men who should be leading the call for equality. It’s their failure of responsibility that is as unacceptable as the content of their convictions. Rather than using their influence in the public eye to advocate for - or at the very least, to support - the rights of gay families, they have instead given succour to the very homophobia that feeds the various irrational and discriminatory laws that seek to deny queer men and women the right to a family life, a right that should be inalienable for all. I don’t know what informs such convictions, whether it’s gross stupidity or a form of internalised self loathing, and I don’t much care; I do care about the words they have chosen, I care about what they have said about my son, and my family, I care about what message that sends to LGBTQ men and women, girls and boys, the world over; and I care that they have singularly failed to live up to their obligations as gay men with a public platform.

My son is not synthetic. My family is not synthetic. I am not a lesser parent because I’m not in a relationship with a woman, or because I’m - more or less - raising my child alone. How dare you, Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabanna, say such offensive, hateful, deceitful, ignorant things about me and my family, and families like ours. How dare you. And how dare you seek to shield yourself from criticism by playing the martyr, by asserting freedom of speech and decrying all who call you on your foul, stupid, bizarre moral illiteracy, as fascists. There’s no fascism here, only the well earned calumny for a pair of ignorant, self loathing men, who lack the imagination or the moral courage or the intelligence to crawl out of their received archaic attitudes to family. You chose to put those words out there, and now you must suffer the consequences of them. That’s not bullying, it’s just quid pro quo.

A few years back I’d have been saddened by this news. But they killed this show a long time ago, and I’ve waited for this announcement ever since. They milked this cash cow for too long. Bye, bye, Supernatural. You were good once. Like so many others before you, you didn’t know the time of your visitation. Rest in peace. I won’t be missing you.

My sympathies to anyone actually made any degree of sad by the Instagram announcement that the show is ending on season 15.  I would never suggest the show had to end as long as other people were still enjoying it - if I keep watching beyond the point it’s fun, that’s my issue.

However.  I can’t say my reaction is anything but 100% THANK FUCKING CHUCK.  The great parts of the show will always exist for us to go back to and enjoy.

I hope everyone involved gets exactly the followup opportunities that they deserve for the quality of the work they delivered these last few seasons.

I have both. They're really cute. But FunkoRoger keeps falling over 🤣

I'm doing Christmas shopping online and discovered that funko pops have a line for tennis players. Very tempted but unfortunately Rafa is sold out. It doesn't feel right if I only bring Roger home (he won't be too happy here)...

Rafa - I love his bull logo and the purple top. And his wavy hair.

Roger - cute as a button (as usual) but where is his RF logo though?

Copedendent boys are codependent. Oh, and #seananddean, LOL

DID Y'ALL SEE THE NEW PICS? THEY ARE TOGETHER! UYFDF FFFDFF FHH Sorry for the freak out, but till now, I was holding out till confirmed. Id like to see the het stans explain this! :) J2 are their own fanfic!

Yes, EVERYONE! LET THE FREAK OUT BEGIN! I’m sure the het fans will find a way to wave this away by assuring everyone that the wives are really there and just don’t want to be seen or whatever, but that’s okay. We know what’s up. ;) –Admin N

Same!

I hate what he has done to the show I once loved.

And he managed a thing I never thought possible: I stopped watching the show.

Same. My main investment in the show has always been the relationship between the brothers, but Carver and his merry band of misfits (I’m not giving the writers a free pass regardless of Robbie ‘fanservice’ Thompson’s recent attempts at damage control, sorry) won’t quit until that bond is destroyed for good. Hey, they’re halfway there already. Contrived conflict (and teenage melodrama) is what this show currently thrives on. I was wondering when the blame game would begin, they’ve been uncharacteristically cordial this season. Fratricide in the season final? Or the (temporary) demise of another ‘fan favourite’? We’ll just blame it on the Mark and bring them back next season.  

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe they’ll come up with a plot twist that has everyone gasping in surprise. But it’s too late. Fuck you Carver, seriously. Who’d have thought that the guy responsible for one of my favorite eps in the show’s run would be the one to turn me against it? 

I hope season 11 will be the last, because I think the show has been damaged beyond repair. A change of showrunner/writers won’t erase that.

Carver needs to be fired. I really really hate that guy.

Count me worried too :( Many (most) people assume Jensen's referring to Crowley or Castiel, but I think this could be a red herring, and deliberate obfuscation on his side. As long as we don't get the fratricide scenario, I'll accept any 'fan favorite' dying. But I fear that's exactly what's gonna happen. But if they do go down that (predictable) route, I think I've reached the end of my patience with this show, regardless of its execution and how they plan to bring whoever dies back. 

Having said that, I think Sam killing Dean could work as a twist on the expected scenario, but Dean killing Sam, thus fulfilling the prophecy (when pretty much the entire show has been about him resisting that fate) would just be the final straw for me. I just don't trust the writer's (i.e. Carver) skills to pull it off in a satisfactory way. It's a line I hope they won't cross, but from the reports I'm seeing and hearing I'm not optimistic. This is one occasion when I wish my cynicism turns out to be wrong. 

Jensen volunteered during his lounge, when asked about giving us a minor spoiler, that another fan favourite will die, and that he has no idea how the writers are going to dig themselves out of that one. 

Count me worried now.