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You aren't Andre weirdo. Andre would hate endo system freaks 🫀.

andre would not and does not give a fuck what someone identifies as, that has no impact on my life whatsoever.

also yk im not endo, right? im the host of a traumagenic system? if ur hating on endos, i assume ur fine with traumagenics, and i have a DID diagnosis. im a fictive of andre from zero day, and im very source connected, as most of our introjects are. so yea, i am andre.

i dont hate “endo system freaks” any more than i hate everyone else. bigots like you get ranked a little higher though. asshole.

i feel really source accurate but not in a euphoric way, more like an “im gonna struggle to censor myself today” way. mildly annoying.

We do not support endos here.

If your an endo "system" FUCK OFf

How endos hurt the wider system community

I’ve seen some people confused on how endogenic people hurt systems so here’s a list of things they do! I might’ve missed something so feel free to add on in comments/re-blogs

Also, before this starts:Our stance on endos varies from alter to alter but the widest understanding is that most of them are misdiagnosing or not aware of their trauma. But still, they’re causing real harm so we dislike them.

1:”Demedicalizing” systemhood

A thing we’ve seen endogenics talking about no longer classifying systemhood as a disorder. This would make proper diagnosing and finding resources even harder. This also includes the fact they argue that systems can form without trauma. With all scientific evidence, endogenics do not exist. Systems come from repeated childhood trauma that stops a child’s personality from developing normally. 

2:Attacking systems

So many systems have been attacked by endos for stuff as simple as having endos in their dni. Considering that these are already traumatized people this is incredibly shitty. I’ve seen them send death threats in vivid detail. I’ve seen them brag about offending traumagenic systems.There’s also words like syscum or traumascum. It’s all very weird

3:Spreading misinformation  

This plays into the first point but the very idea of an endogenic system is misinformation. You cannot choose to split off alters, and trying to can be very harmful. And increases the chances of systems getting attacked for having certain alters. “System hoping” cannot happen and is used to hurt systems who are in vulnerable positions. And most importantly you cannot have a system without childhood trauma.

4:Invading traumagenic spaces

Let’s say hypothetically endogenic systems were a real thing. There is no current scientific baking to this but lets act like there was. They would still be invading our spaces. System communities are safe spaces for traumatized people and endogenics often invade them. It makes those spaces feel less safe

That’s all we have for now. Again feel free to add on. We ask endos do not interact with this(like every post on this blog) 

"You're so good at writing this character" thanks. They live in my head. I consult them on the plot points. I literally know them.

It's me and my playlist and my Pinterest board against the god damn world

Change of plans, I gotta rebrand this bitch to reflect my source at some point lol

auhhh your blog is so pretty. basic template, either dealers choice headmade or a dsmp fictive of your choosing if that's okay!!

cutter+alex, he/him

YEAHH thank you!! i will do my best to do the dsmp fictive, but ive never actually watched it, so it may be a little off LOL i hope its okay though!! i read a wiki page for it LMAOO feel free to take what fits and leave what doesnt :) also SORRYY if any of this doesnt fully fit! i had a hard time thinking of some stuff...

name: ranboo, boo, ran, ender, allium / allie, quill, rainbow, raine, riley, vinyl, clue, mystery, seeker, sage, asher, lucas, eugene, cedar, charlie, olive / oliver / oli, crypt, grim

pronouns: end/ender, end/ends, love/loves, red/reds, green/greens, heart/hearts, kind/kinds, trance/trances, walk/walks, peace/peaceful or peace/peaces, dual/duality, purple/purples, pur/purple, boo/boos, book/books, page/pages, particle/particles, eye/eyes, glow/glows, tape/tapes

age: ageless, appears as young adult

role: protector, emotional regulator, insomnia holder, dissociation holder, anxiety holder, conflict resolver, caretaker

genders: genderfluid, nonbinary, enderwalkic, cryptidcatgender, liminalic, vimemorin, reidrovex, lostpoeic, panicgender, endposgender, lossgender, endrian

orientation: asexual panromantic

species: half enderman, enderwalker, cryptid

personality overview: loving / caring towards friends, can be assertive when needed and usually in the defense of close people, likes to talk things out whenever possible and resolve conflict, protective of anyone considered close, forgiving, honest, wants to help others, forgetful at times, i could also see this alter taking up poetry / writing as a hobby :)

notable traits: insomniac, hard time making eye contact, dislikes being in water, verbal stims when stressed, likes to fidget with random objects and potentially collect things, loves animals... maybe has innerworld pet?

general aesthetic: softer, black and white, glitchcore maybe? or darker cottagecore / dark nature

add ons: ranboo introject

I HOPE ITS OKAY! sorry it took a bit, i was doing like actual research LMAOO

not endo myself but these questions are cool and i want to talk about my system so weeeee here we go

🦴 - thatss a good question honestly... as far back as i remember? i know i discovered DID by watching some youtube videos at like 11 and relating to them, but didnt think much more of it until my diagnosis at 15

🪽 - around the time of my diagnosis, i realized i couldnt ignore it anymore, so instead decided to learn to function together

🪐 - uhhh i believe luci? or maybe lexa... luci is one of our gatekeepers, and lexa is the primary protector. they were the most active in communication when we first discovered the DID

🔭 - roughlyy around the time of first discovery?? we had a list of names in notes app, we later swapped to simplyplural around the time of diagnosis (it had just been released, i think?)

🕸️ - nonee, we dont intentionally create alters, but we do have TBMC trauma if that counts ?? like yes they were created kind of on purpose but not by us lol

🫀 - we do! i honestly dont know if any of it is intentionally built or not but uhh it is pretty large and only some of us can access it

🌙 - wedont create alters, but our new splits like looking at ID packs and stuff! we dont use bah blogs though hinestly im not sure what those are

🦇 - gonna use "created" to mean split here, we recently did split but the new split doesnt have a solid identity yet

🍂 - ithinkk ᏩᏯ was the first host?? at least to my knowledge

🌿 - usually ID packs or just searching around, sometimes we ask friends for suggestions

🐚 - none of us really? unless you count kylo, he types like a myspace teenager lol so "to" = 2 and "for" = 4 sometimes, and many "xD" "lolz" and similar. he only types like that sometimes though

🪶 - yes! some of us have accents we picked up from media or people we grew up around

🪦 - a former therapist, i think? we would occasionally join system discord servers before that point, though

🕸️ - i usuallyyy dont, i generally only tell people i consider very close! for general strangers or not close friends, ijust say i have a disorder that impacts my memory, since thats the most noticeable symptom i have... for close people though i generally just tell them that i have a DID diagnosis, most people have been very understanding

🕷️ - not reallyy?? unless you count alters cutting off people lol, but generally anyone we have told has been understanding :)

🔪 - yes! my 3 closest friends all know (one is also a system), as well as my boyfriend (he is plural as well, i remember when i first told him his reaction was "oh my god... me too" it was really funny since i had been genuinely nervous to tell him LOL)

plurality ask game !

targeted to endos , but anyone can use ! post made by an endo :)

— start .

🦴 : when did you first start feeling plural ?

🪽 : when did you finally accept your plurality ?

🪐 : who was the first alter your system found that wasn't the host ?

🔭 : when did you start keeping track of your alters ?

— creation .

🕸️ : how many of your headmates are created ?

🫀 : do you have a headspace ? if so , how much was built ?

🌙 : do you use bah blogs to help create alters ?

🦇 : who's your most recently created alter ?

— general .

🍂 : who was your first host ?

🌿 : how do you find the names of your alters ?

🐚 : how many of you have typing quirks ?

🪶 : do any of you have an accent ?

— friends .

🪦 : who was the first person to know about your plurality ?

🕸 : how do you tell new people about your plurality ?

🕷 : have you lost friends over your plurality ?

🔪 : are you out to people irl with your plurality ?

anti-endos worshipping the DSM and citing it as proof that plurality has to be caused by trauma / disordered: Rahhhh you're a liar because this book only used in america has it!!!!!

the helpful ICD, which apparently recognised non-disordered plurality in one of the iterations (not sure which one) and used across the entire world:

SORRY i am just now seeing this but YEAH i actually think i know what ur talking about. im pretty sure there is an ICD document / article about dissociation that mentions non-traumagenic plurality somewheree in it? but dont quote me on this because i saw it like... last year LOL

also the DSM never even says that plurality has to be disordered either? it just says that DID/OSDD-1 are not caused by spiritual or cultural practices, which honestly if anything validates non-disordered plurality? because like that means it acknowledges that identity alterations CAN be caused by things other than DID/OSDD-1

not endo but sharing this + also adding on the note that a lot of their posts could be triggering to people with psychosis or paranoia, i checked their blog and YEAH! as a paranoid schizospec person... be cautious guys yeah

i& advise endos to block @ifuckinghateendos , some of their content is upsetting to see . this is not an invitation to harass them , i& assume they are a satirical blog .

stay safe , please !

gonna get a bit syscourse-y here, but... recently noticed kind of a weird hypocrisy in anti-endo arguments and wanted to point it out to see if others agree

for extra context, i have DID and im pro-endo id say?? my mindset is basically just "i dont get it personally, but live ur life dude(s), its not my business and im not gonna tell u what u are / arent" because like. i find it super hard to believe that DID and OSDD-1 are the ONLY possible causes for systems LOL... also i will be using the terms endo / endogenic as umbrella terms for all plurality outside of DID / OSDD-1 throughout this post

ANYWAYS THOUGHH... most harshly anti-endo spaces (or at least those that are pro-recovery) really emphasise that DID and OSDD-1 are more than just "alter disorders", which i absolutely agree with! DID and OSDD-1 are both complex dissociative disorders that include identity alteration (alters) as a SYMPTOM, but the disorders both fundamentally involve dissociation and impairment in daily life to some extent

BUT... then they are also so quick to say that endos MUST have DID / OSDD-1 if they have alters... but what about all the other symptoms? most endos i have met do not experience dissociation or other DID / OSDD-1 symptoms. claiming someone MUST have DID / OSDD-1 because they have alters would kind of be reducing the disorders down to just "alter disorders", right?

plus, it seems to be entirely ignoring the fact that you can have a symptom of a disorder without having the disorder / being disordered... lets use ADHD as an example here since its the first thing to come to mind LOL, someone can have a short attention span or be distracted easily without inherently having ADHD. it would depend on the presence of other symptoms as well as degree of life impairment. this logic also applies to any other disorder ever... so why dont we apply the same logic to DID / OSDD-1?

most endos i see dont claim DID / OSDD-1, and the ones that do are generally mixed origins. if we apply the logic that symptom ≠ disorder and that DID / OSDD-1 are more than just "alter disorders", why would someone not be able to have alters without a dissociative disorder?

IDK i hope this makes sense. feel free to reblog with any comments or anything i want to see others opinionz

working on plural related stickers for my shop :-) the flag will be customizable (like dissociative disorder, type of system, system origin, ect) preorder here so i can get a sense of how many people are interested !

Right? Like wtf lmao.

being a system is so funny like. oh something really shitty happened. well time to not know who i am for like a week lol!!!!!!

Exactly, all systems are different in their own, beautiful ways.

Just like knowing an autistic person means you know one autistic person, knowing a system means you know one system. Systemhood/plurality is an incredibly diverse experience and it's impossible to get the full scope of the lives of every system out there by talking to one system, or even just a handful.

What feels restricting to one system may fit another perfectly. What feels comfortable to one system may make another feel dehumanized. Something that's a common experience in one system may be downright impossible in another. And on and on with many personal preferences and experiences.

This is fine, and normal. We're all unique, whether that's unique as individuals or unique as collectives. Just remember that the way one system works has no bearing on how another works; do not presume you know everything about systems just due to your own experiences or those you've talked to. It all depends on the system/plural/person in question.

We have one, no they don't change often. Host to us (or at least just to me) is someone who's just stuck here in front. Just just there making all the decisions and stuff

question 117: do you have a host? does the host change often? what does "host" mean to your system?

Bulk meme load

This was also my experience. It’s both comforting and depressing to know I wasn’t the only one who went through this.

I'm tired of this narrative that it's just the endogenics or it's just the anti-endos being ableist because it is typically the vocal minorities in BOTH groups who are doing this behavior. I'm going to be talking about my experiences with how both sides hurt me here but this isn't me throwing a pity party or anything just want to draw attention to things.

Starting out in the system community as a trauma formed system I of course initially interacted with CDD spaces which of course led me to interact with a decent number of anti-endos. Unfortunately when I first started discussing my experiences with the disorder which 100% do not fit into the anti-endo box of how a CDD system is supposed to experience their system I immediately got dubbed as an endogenic and got pushed out of CDD spaces over and over.

I was repeatedly the excuse anti-endos would use to say endogenics were invading their spaces and using their terms. They repeatedly acted as if they were better than me because they had trauma because despite the fact that I repeatedly discussed having childhood trauma because they dubbed me as endogenic I therefore could not have experienced any trauma in my life and was therefore lesser than them. I was just that faker destroying the community because they never once sought to understand the trauma basis for my odd presentations.

Of course not being accepted by other CDD systems in the anti-endo community of course I felt more comfortable with the pro-endo community who were accepting of my trauma and my system experiences. The one main thing they did though... was convince me due to how my symptoms presented I couldn't be experiencing distress/disfunction(which I was) because of the symptoms of the disorder and was therefore a non-disordered system. This held me back from seeking care for the disorder for multiple years.

If you are following along you might notice BOTH sides repeatedly told me I did not need treatment for my experiences. Both sides tried to convince me I was healthy and thriving while I was dealing with severe trauma responses that were subtlety destroying my life.

And the people who helped. The people who recognized how my presentation of the disorder was a valid but commonly overlooked one because of how high functioning I present outwardly with the symptoms. Were people who acknowledge the ableism in both sides. Ones that are willing to call it out in both sides. Those are the people in syscourse who weren't ableist towards me.

And this isn't to say everyone on both sides is a monster but to say what both sides promote as what is and isn't a CDD experience ends up being used for ableism by members of that respective side. Both sides struggle to define CDD systems in a way that ACTUALLY defines ALL CDD systems. And there are always going to be CDD systems who are victims of ableism from both sides of syscourse because of it.

reblog if you're traumaendo and you feel alone in the system community.

the point of this is to see how many people feel similarly.

In looking for more mixed origin specific spaces I created a mixed origin system community. Just a space to hang out and discuss experiences with other mixed origin systems. If you are interested here's a link :)

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Mixed Origin Hangout • Community on Tumblr

A space for mixed origin systems to hang out and discuss their experiences.

Even as someone who is pro-endogenic, I think it is important to say that the research done on DID, OSDD, and other trauma-based dissociative conditions is still valuable and important, even if you’re not a traumagenic system.

I’m not saying you need to be an expert or spend several hours reading so many books and peer-reviewed papers that you might as well have a PhD. I’m saying that having a basic grasp of concepts like C-PTSD, structural dissociation, and the core clinical models of trauma-based plurality will help you become a better ally to traumagenic systems, mixed-origin systems (like me), and traumatized endogenic systems.

I’ve noticed that some endogenic spaces have a tendency to either dismiss research on traumagenic systems as irrelevant or criticize it for not including endogenic experiences. But here’s the thing… that doesn’t mean the existing research is wrong. It’s just focused on a different population of people whose system formed because of trauma.

Research doesn’t extensively talk about endogenic or mixed-origin systems because those aren’t typically studied in a clinical (i.e., pathological) context. That doesn’t make our experiences less valid. It just means we exist outside the current research. And that’s okay. But it is still good to understand where traumagenic systems are coming from because not all of us are without trauma, and we need you as an ally. Especially if we want mutual respect and solidarity within plural spaces.

I think about this a lot because if endogenic spaces were a lot more like this a few years ago, I would’ve gotten support and found community a lot sooner. It has gotten a lot better since the last time I’ve been in plural spaces, but there is still more room to grow.

Ough wait a second....you're..."photogenic"? You need trauma to be a system, dumbass.

Can we stop saying people with covert DID/OSDD or other covert forms of plurality are privileged? Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t understand how suffering in a way that goes unnoticed is more privileged than suffering in a way that’s noticed.

Both have their ups and downs person-to-person. So what makes one more privileged than the other?

Here’s my metaphor for systemhood that I tell my singlet friends.

Imagine you’re playing a first person video game. You have the controller, you control your character. It’s a normal first person game. You are an alter, the character is the body. This is fronting.

Other people live with you. Sometimes, they come into the room and sit and watch while you play. They sometimes try to guide you, give you advice on what to do next. They don’t always agree, and they can argue with each other. Other times they scream at you that you’re doing everything wrong and you suck at this game. This is co-consciousness.

Imagine how distracting it would be for people around you to tell you what to do, or to scream at each other or at you, even if they have good intentions. It wouldn’t be easy to focus on your game, would it?

Then sometimes, something happens in the game that prompts you to hand off the controller to someone else so they can play and you get a break. This is (some types of) switching. This can be good.

Other times, someone rips the controller out of your hand or fights you for it. This is (other types of) switching. And sometimes, six other players hook up their controllers, but there’s only one character to play as. So all of you have your controllers, but you’re all trying to play the same character. This is cofronting.

Imagine how difficult that would be. Imagine how hard it would be to try and play a game while someone is trying to take the controller from you, or while six other people are trying to play too.

There are also times that nobody is playing, or you can’t decide who should play. What’s happening to the character in the game? What are they doing if no one is playing? This is dissociation. The character is doing nothing. They’re stuck.

This is the best metaphor I have come up with for being a system. It’s something a lot of people get because they’ve played games before.

I don't have time to think about myself!

-Tel

Headmate who reminds you to drink more water, despite being dehydrated themself

this popped into my head out of nowhere so i had to create it as an image …… mitosis

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So after so many times of singing "Warrior of the Mind" and Athena going "I wish Ody (in our partner's sys) would high-five me." He did it and she high-five him so strongly she knocked a sticker off the top of our car (their just pinned to the ceiling). Like she was really fucking excited because her son actually high-fived her... She tried playing it off as the cool girl after that excitement

Being a sys is realizing you watched Young Sheldon for the Coopers cuz you have Sheldon Cooper being a silly little guy in your head

-🍍

Can't sleep so I decided imma work on pronouns.cc (or whatever) stuff

So we were looking at dna2023's art of Casita and Pedro. You know like one does. And suddenly deep in headspace something tugged to use one as a pfp...

Did we really just get a fucking house as a headmate??? Because of Mirabel??? Because headspace wasn't fun enough??? Wtf???

-bj

Man Psych needs to have a comeback. I want to go buy stuff off me and my husband. Also criminal minds so I can get stuff of my boyfriend... Though that's more active

-🍍

(he's immediately running to Etsy now -Rob)