So, I Just Found This And Have No Clue What's Going On. Could You Maybe Make, Like, A Simple Guide To

ok, made some small commits...

(no features added, but cleaned up some code and added example programs)

yup.

it has the basis for how I am going to make functions if I make them, and cleaned up the code for BIFURCATEion, and removed some lines that were commented out.

if you want the new version it is on the github.

no real difference when it runs though.

(if something you wrote doesn't work with the new version, try using BIFFURCATE instead of BIFURCATE to use the old code. You probably won't need to, though. It works fine for me. and you probably haven't written anything in it anyway, because you kind of have to uh, want to, I guess)

Bug fixed

Fixed the bug. The problem was that it was seeing

\n}\nD.DIE();

 and it was checking if the text up to the next semicolon ended with .DIE() and if it did, using the stuff before the . as the variable name.  When it should have been seeing the } and jumping back.

Also there may have been a problem with the {} matching. If so, that was fixed too. It was not the last part to be fixed.

BUT ANYWAY: The bug is fixed now.

runs in python 2.7

If you have a different version of python, and it is incompatible, please tell me. If a sufficient number of people want it in a different python version I might make a version of it for multiple python versions. 

I am so bad at updating. (and a side note)

I am still intending to update this.

but I am not good at time management.

I have like 2 hours of free time after school, (because of certain inefficiencies on my part) so that's my stupid excuse.

I am working on writing some responses to some requests for clarification, and then I will do the second part of the converter TO binary.

the print command can have the end of a loop in.

The contents of the print command can be executed.

so if you say:

import blah A; import bleh B; ~ATH(A){ ~ATH(B){ print heh } ~ATH(NULL){ print giant frogs alert; B.DIE(); } }  

it should print

"heh } ~ATH(NULL){ print giant frogs alert giant frogs alert"

this of course, is not particularly useful as far as I can tell, except possibly for quines, and possibly obfuscation. but really, is it possibly to write anything in ~ATH that isn't obfuscated?

speaking of not obfuscated, I have started working on adding a feature for user defined functions. I have it pretty much worked out how it will work, but I am not sure how I want to make the user DEFINE the functions. so I haven't been doing NOTHING with regards to this.

re: "computationalalchemist answered: You could use Prolog-style lists for split."

"computationalalchemist answered: You could use Prolog-style lists for split."

I'm not totally sure what you mean, but my best guess as to what you meant is probably pretty similar to how I making it.

I implemented it and I think it works, I need to double check though.

With what I have now when I use 

split [THIS,THIS,THIS,THIS,THIS,THIS,NULL]COUNTER; ~ATH(COUNTER){ print "bananas"; BIFURCATE COUNTER[JUNK,COUNTER]; }EXECUTE(print "ok";); print "whee!";

it yields 

bananas bananas bananas bananas bananas bananas ok whee!

Which seems to make sense to me, and also, fits with how lisp lists work, and apparently also prolog lists.

also where it says split it will also accept bifurcate. they are actually treated as the same command.

import statements aren't fully implemented yet though.

I think I will put this version on github pretty soon.

Thank you for the advice.

Syntax explanation post completed, and Hello, World.

I have completed the syntax explanation post, and I think it is fairly clear now.

If you find any part of the post to be unclear, and that it requires further explanation,  please say so so that I can improve it.

Now that that post is in an acceptable form, We can get on to writing our first few ~ATH programs.

print Hello, World.; THIS.DIE(); 

That wasn't so hard, was it?

I feel I should note that the syntax of the print command is not entirely finalized, it might change sometime later.

EXPLANATION:

The first line of the program says to output the text "Hello, World." 

The 2nd line of the program says to end the program. This is because the variable THIS initially points to a object that is only alive when the program is running. If the object is ever not alive, the program stops.

oh gosh why is this a bullet-ed list I am not good with tumblr

To run a drocta ~ATH program, you need the interpreter (available from the github), and python 2.7 (the interpreter can be easily modified to run with python 3, but it is written to work in 2.7)

Open interp_2.py with python, and when the program comes up, type in the filename of the ~ATH program, and hit enter, this will run the ~ATH program.

With this example, it should output the text

Hello, World.

Now, of course, this is a relatively simple program, but at least its something.

Depending on how you are running the interpreter, the program might close immediately after outputting the text.

That might not be what we want.

To make the program not close until we specifically tell it to, we use the following:

print Hello, World.; ~ATH(THIS){ } THIS.DIE(); 

EXPLANATION:

The first line is the same as in the first program. It outputs "Hello, World."

The second line is different, this says to start a loop, which will continue until the object pointed to by the variable THIS is dead.

The third line says to go back to the corresponding ~ATH statement.

The fourth line is never executed, because the loop above it will continue until the object pointed to by THIS dies, and if that object dies the program ends. If it were to be executed it would make the object pointed to by THIS die, and the program would end as a result.

This program should be the same, except that it will keep running until you close it manually.

Now you have hello world written in two different ways!

User defined functions can be used now! Also PRINT2 added!

PRINT2 prints a string object as a string. If you give it something that is not a string object it will probably crash, or output the empty string.

Now, to import user defined functions use 

importf filename as FUNCTIONNAME;

Why didn't I put this up earlier?

because I have other projects and because sometimes I am busy/lazy.

OK!

So to make a function to import, you pretty much make a ~ATH file like normal, except the object passed into the function is put into the variable ARGS, and when you want to pass the output object of the function out, you have it as an argument to the DIE method.

It can either be when saying THIS.DIE(RETURNOBJ); or ANYOTHERVARIABLE.DIE(RETURNOBJ);

The object your killing doesn't have to be the one tied to the life of the function or anything.

Oh I should clarify, the THIS variable/object will refer to the current function, not the file that called it.

It CAN be returned, and will be dead when you exit the function.

PROGRESS!

FUNCTIONS WORK.

LESS SPAGHETTI CODE.

although this starts to make me wonder if maybe this strays too far from what ~ATH is like in comic, 

but w/e.

Heyho, I now red alot of your sources and i started to understand your interpretation of ~ATH. You do alot of things with the bifurcate command.. I actually thought that bifrucate JUST splits the programm in different colors like here : "bifurcate THIS[THIS(red), THIS(blue)]; " I think that you can actually split your script into N colors while N > 0. like this: bifrucate THIS[THIS(COLOR(0),THIS(COLOR(1),THIS(COLOR(2),THIS(COLOR(3),THIS(COLOR(4),THIS(COLOR(5),THIS(COLOR(6)] and so on.

Yes. I do use BIFURCATE often.

Personally, I doubt that one could say

BIFURCATE A[D,B,C]; (for some names and colors for a b c and d),

because of the "Bi" part of the word "bifurcate", meaning two. (or in some cases, "both")

Further, I would defend my use of it to BIFURCATE things other than  THIS with http://mspaintadventures.com/?viewmap=6 which, for the start of act 5, says

BIFURCATE ACT_5[red(ACT_1), blue(ACT_2)];

which seems to indicate that things other than THIS can be BIFURCATED.

To split something into more than 2 parts, I would just bifurcate it multiple times. *

I don't know what the etiquette is for whether I should click publish or answer privately, so I am going to pick one and hope for the best.

Is drocta ~ATH case- and whitespace-sensitive? For instance, would "BIFURCATE 2NULL[JUNK,BLAH];" do the same thing as "bifurcate 2NULL [JUNK, BLAH];"? Also, is there a difference between calling .DIE() on an object and setting it to NULL? Your tutorials seem to be written as if there were a difference. And finally, I'm still unsure about what "BIFURCATE [CMP0,ZEROCHAR]D;" and "D.DIE();" are supposed to do in regards to interpreting the user-inputted character.

drocta ~ATH is case sensitive in most cases, and white space sensitive in some cases. line breaks/new lines are not neccessary for example.

if I said "bifurcate 2NUL[JUNK,BLAH]; that would by a typo on my part. It should be BIFURCATE.

if people want I could make it not case sensitive, but currently it is.

there is a VERY IMPORTANT (if subtle) difference between setting a variable to null and calling .DIE on an object.

in drocta ~ATH, there are variables and objects. Every variable "points to" or "references" an object. The object that a variable points to does not necessarily stay the same. if you have some variable "C", and then you say BIFURCATE SOMETHING[C,JUNK];

instead of pointing to what it was pointing to before, it points to the left half of whatever SOMETHING is pointing to.

This doesn't make the object no longer exist however. It might be that no variables point to it anymore, but it still is stored in memory.

More than one variable can point to a given object.

If variable A and B both initially point to the same object, and then you change A so that it points to a different object, B will still point to the object that they were pointing to at first.

so if A and B both point to some object (which is initially alive), and then A is made to point to the object initially pointed to by NULL (which is initially dead), then A will point to an object that is dead, but B will still point to an object that is alive.

In contrast, if D and F are pointing to the same object, which is initially alive, and one says "D.DIE();", the object that D points to will die (become dead). D and F still point to the same object, but this object is now dead. So both D and F point to a dead object.

about the user input part:

BIFURCATE [CMP0,ZEROCHAR]D;D.DIE();

determines some object, temporarily pointed to by D, which has the object pointed to by CMP0 as its left half, and the object pointed to by ZEROCHAR as its right half. It then kills this object.

the purpose of this, is so that if one has some character object (from the input statement), and wants to know if it is '0', then one can determine the object that has the object pointed to by CMP0 as the left half, and the object that you want to test as the right half. If the object you are testing IS '0', then the object that you get should be the same one that you killed, so it should be dead. If it is not '0' but rather, say, 'z' or just some object that doesn't have a corresponding character, it will result in some other object, which has not been killed, so it is still alive.

I hope I cleared up some of your questions.

Hello again all!

So recently I started kind of working on this again for a bit. I have fixed some bugs with the parser that I haven't pushed yet. I am also writing an improved interpreter that will use the parser instead of the hacky thing that just goes through strings.

However, for the time being, even after I release this version, I would recommend maybe using the older version for a while if anyone is using it, because this version is probably even more buggy.

However, you know how a few posts ago (but more than a year ago (wow) ) I posted that post where I said that I didn't think bifurcate can be used to split values into more than 2 values?

Well I still kind of think that, but on the map page for homestuck on act 6, it says split Act_6[Act_1,Act_2,Act_3,<etc>];

So this is something I intend to implement, and something I am implementing.

And like I said before I would like it to be done with repeated bifurcation, as a sort of syntactic sugar.

And I am thinking I want it to be like

[a,b,c] means the same thing as [a,[b,c]]

so split Z[A,B,C];

would be the same as

BIFURCATE Z[A,BCTEMP]; BIFURCATE BCTEMP[B,C];

and that split [A,B,C]Z;

would be the same as

BIFURCATE [B,C]BCTEMP; BIFURCATE [A,BCTEMP]Z;

But the way the splits would be done could also be backwards

so [a,b,c] could be the same as [[a,b],c]

I'm pretty sure I prefer the first way, but the second way is actually easier to implement.

or at least cleaner looking to implement.

Why doesn't my code look clean ever?

Anyway, my reason for this post is this:

Does anyone have any opinions about how split is implemented?

I am aware that this will probably not get answered but for what its worth: Is it possible to access the 'variables' generated within the ~ATH code externally? I.e. if I import an alive object would it be possible to use the python code to test if that object is alive or not (and potentially change that)? I have taken a look at the code but am unsure if it is possible or even coded in that manner. Any response is appreciated but I will not mind and understand if this goes unanswered.

Hey,Assuming I understand what you mean by your question:Yes it would be possible to do that with not too much of a change to the code, but no the code wasn’t designed specifically to facilitate that.The way the code is written, the python function “evalScript” takes two arguments, the first of which is the text of the drocta ~ATH code to run, and the second is a drocta ~ATH object to give as input to the script.In this function, there is a python variable called ATHVars which stores a dictionary of variable names as the keys, and the values being the ~ATH object that is currently pointed to by the variable. If you want to have python do something with a ~ATH object that a particular ~ATH variable points to, you could use this dictionary in order to get that object.At the end of the “evalScript” function, it returns the ~ATH object stored in the return_obj variable. This can be set by sayinganyothervariable.DIE(theObjectYouWantToReturn);So, one way that might work to do what you are wanting to do, is in the ~ATH script you want to run, you would first take all the objects you want to check if they are alive at the end of the script, use BIFURCATE or SPLIT .... ah phooey I never actually put split in this version I guess? ok repeated use of BIFURCATE it is then I guess.Anyway, you would use BIFURCATE to get an object which is the combination of all the objects you are interested in, in whatever way you put them together, and then you make it so that that object is the one you return at the end.If you have one of the ~ATH objects in python, the way to check if it is alive or not is to check the theobjectinquestion.living attribute (see bif.py for this part if you want).

You said “if I import an alive object“, which I’m not sure if might suggest that I haven’t explained how the “import” statement works in this clearly enough.

“import” is a bit of a misnomer here. For the most part, “import” is more of a way to declare new objects, not to import existing objects from a libraryIf I set aside a bunch of time to work on this more I would maybe add support for them actually being libraries?---Oh! If you want the python code to inspect (and possibly change) whether the object that a variable currently points to is alive or not while in the middle of the ~ATH script , a good way to do that would probably be to modify the part which it handles calling functions, and make it support calling functions which are written in python and included in a dictionary under some name, similar to how it uses the funCodes dictionary.

However, that might be kind of tricky to do if you uh, weren’t the one to write the code, because the code I wrote is rather messy? I started cleaning it up at one point by starting to write a parser instead of using the terrible regex that it currently uses, but I never finished writing the parser and integrating it into the interpreter. Bler...

I would like to do that at some point. Hmm...

Maybe I should schedule some time to do that? I have had more experience writing parsers and interpreters since then, so it shouldn’t be /that/ hard for me to clean some of this stuff up and add support for functions written in python.

I probably shouldn’t try working on that like, right now, because I have schoolwork I should be getting to, but, hm.

Hey, if you can, could you send me another ask in a few days to remind me to maybe schedule a day on which to write some stuff for this?

Anyway, thanks for asking. I’m happy to answer questions about this.