Miraculous Ladybug Sucks But The One Thing That Was Fun Was That Marinette Has Two Love Interests That

sooo. divorce arc when

pet peeve is when a fellow hater conducts their haterism such that they leave the hater community vulnerable to attack. “i think characterizing Character A in x way is boring and annoying” = beautiful, flawless, unimpeachable haterism. no one can tell u that u aren’t allowed to find a certain characterization boring. “it is morally/objectively wrong to characterize Character A in x way” = sloppy, reactionary, overcommitting. you have left our eastern flank open to attack girl what the hell….now my dedicated hater troops are taking fire from YOUR enemies fuckkkkk

WHY DID HE GET SUDDEN GOOD VIBES??? AT THE END OF THE EP???? WHEN DID HE SHOW THE CAPACITY TO FROLICK AMONGST THE COMMON FOLK??????????? NO MORE RANDOM REDEMPTION ARCS FOR OLD WHITE MEN MLB WHAT THE HECK

ik its a kids show so theyd probably never delve into this. but in the universe where chat noir and hawkmoths identity were revealed to the public, i cannot fucking imagine the media circus that would go on. the court case alone would be so bad… “hawkmoth vs chat noir: domestic terrorism or domestic abuse?” itd be soooo awful they should make it happen. paris’ most fucked up family. the youtube videos. someone would request to make a documentary. and after all gabriels shit is revealed publicly he still only goes to jail for tax evasion à la al capone.

@wavebiders sorry to screenshot your tags but i agree with all of this so much + the examples. the messaging has always irked me about ml. for a kids show with an akuma of the day it's a pretty perfect set up to have those kids show episode formulas of learning a moral every episode but the morals ml teaches is, quite frankly, insane. which would be fine if it was for a little bit of an older audience but it's NOT. i dont know for some reason ive always seen miraculous as quite honestly pretty mean spirited in its storytelling...

like there's just so much going on in miraculous ladybug like it's a baby kids show that has akumas every week and is funny and has cute romance which is what i expected and i assume most people wanted. and then it also has insane themes from things such as having a miraculous that has a power of creating designer babies forced to do whatever you want; which is not inherently bad i actually think it's a fascinating topic to explore but maybe in a horror movie. not the baby kids show that is mainly a feel good romance? i suppose the idea is to make it more similar to avatar and other family focused shows where it is both fun but has adult themes that cater to parents watching, but in this case they could handle their more adult themes with like a smidgen more care than they do. instead they introduce shit like sentimonsters and waffle on the morality of doing stuff like: killing them. GIRL‼️ this is a baby kids show we're teaching children MORALS‼️ murder is bad guys. unless the heroes do it 💖

i want this with marinette and gabriel too but it's much harder than with adrien because the show doesn't give much to work with. alas i try to build something in a rewrite bc the protagonist and antagonist should have fun dynamics or it kills me.

marinette and gabriel: a girl and her hero. what she strives to be. a man who made his own fashion house and is a household name. she loves his work, wants to be him. gabriel sees a lot of himself in this girl his son brings around-his childhood, before he was successful. with superpowers that give access to emotions, it's hard Not to feel empathy, and there's a reason gabriel stays mostly in his house. but... shes talented. when he's not hawkmoth, all he does is necessary work, but it wouldn't hurt to let her shadow him doing things he already has to do anyways.

ladybug and hawkmoth: i hate you give me your miraculous (starting out with hawkmoth seeing her as a child who simply can be manipulated into doing what he wants. and marinette, who is used to kind adults who have her best interests in mind, is vehemently betrayed by the notion of an adult so horrible - despises him. the manipulation doesn't work, it becomes more and more vitriolic. theyre so similar, and they hate that about one another. it doesn't matter she's a child anymore; she's a brat with a weapon too powerful for her to understand, etc.)

marinette and hawkmoth: marinette despises him as always, but the power imbalance makes her incapable of doing anything. marinettes less of a fawner though. less conversation, more her considering ways to escape. meanwhile hawkmoth still has a soft spot for the fashion girl his son likes - so he isn't as horrid as he Could be.

ladybug and gabriel: gabriel is marinettes hero and ladybug is gabriels fucking worst nightmare and both of them have to tamper it down. ladybug can't hero worship, she's the hero! gabriel can't openly show any disdain -- who the fuck hates ladybug! similar to chat noir and gabriel, it's a power reversal where ladybug technically has more power over gabriel, but gabriel has the potential to use her seeking adult validation and approval to try and learn more about her. especially since marinette looks up to him. becomes more sour as marinette becomes more disillusioned with his parenting style; she would ask questions as ladybug she would never dare as marinette.

okay i will say one of the least utilized parts of ml is that the lovesquare isn't the only characters that can have multiple dynamics at once. and in fact one of my things i wanna do in a rewrite is have gabriel/hawkmoth have different dynamics with the main characters depending on persona.

for example; what is an interaction between hawkmoth and adrien agreste actually like? in a scenario where potentially hawkmoth finds out about ladybug being attached to a civilian AND having the excuse of knowing it because it's a popular model so it wouldn't out his identity, would he choose to endanger his son? or maybe would he do it himself instead of trusting an akuma, knowing he won't actually follow through with a threat to adriens life while an akuma would?

what's a dynamic between chat noir and gabriel? that's a superhero gabriel wants the miraculous from, but he can't be blatant about it, and more than that, he has no power over a superhero and no reason to dislike him. it's fascinating.

one of my fav fucked up things is the concept of adrien talking more to hawkmoth than his own father because gabriel learns that adrien is one of the most effective ways to bait ladybug. hawkmoth can read emotions, and one day he reads ladybugs enough when Adrien is in the vicinity- and woah, her emotions are so strong about him it's readable through the magical cloaking, even! he even justifies it morally because it's not like adrien is ever hurt. is it kidnapping if it's your own son? is it really hurting him if all your doing is playing chess with him on top of the eiffel tower, an unspoken threat of super powered violence enough to keep him from doing anything reckless? gabriel is spending time with his son /and/ getting the miraculous. and at the end of the day... when gabriel gets the wish, he can fix it all - so it'll be okay! :)

explaining s5 finale to my friends is so. everything i say is crazy. "adrien gets yellow wallpapered and is put in a white sensory deprivation chamber in london. there's a foosball table." i sound crazy. but it's real!

my toxic relationship with miraculous ladybug. i will try to be brief (1/435)

sorry to everyone following me im not done. so like okay i haven't kept up with season 6 much. does Marinette still not tell Adrien anything. like they're in a relationship but Adrien doesn't know anything about his dad or the sentimonster thing?? like the amoks? because I just want to say if no one has written 20 years in the future divorce fic.......... the custody battle would be crazy. can you imagine. "she knew there were rings that could remote control me and did not inform me of the fact." "you've been wearing them the whole time i didn't remote control you!" "okay but when we held hands when we said our vows?" "IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT" "HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU DIDNT TELL ME ANYTHING." i simply think it'd be the best psychological horror and also a comedy of all time.