So I've said multipe times now (here and here) that thinking nmj is just so blinded by privilege he doesn't undertand that acting out of line gets people killed is, in my opinion, a misunderstanding of his character that ignores the part where he's, you know, actively dying the whole time and thinks that's a good thing. But that doesn't mean I don't think privilege plays no role at all in how he views the world.
Specifically, his view that death (at least premature or violent death) means something.
Death isn't always a tragedy to NMJ, but it is always meaningful. If you kill an evil dangerous person for your righteous cause, that death had meaning. There was evil in the world and now there is less of it. Similarly, if you die in the pursuit of your righteous cause, that death has meaning, because the sheer dedication you gave to it that you were willing to die for it will further that cause, and your bretheren will be invigorated by your sacrifice to fight even harder.
If a death isn't meaningful, that's an injustice and it is up to the living to give it meaning. That's what cuts so deep about his father's murder. There were no consequences, no changes, no meaning. Wen Ruohan was just going to get away with it! He fights and wins an entire war to make it mean something, to make it so that the unjust murder of Nie Mingjue's father is part of Wen Ruohan's downfall.
But this is a view he can only hold because he's the kind of person who's death will be meaningful. Most ordinary people's deaths are meaningless. Not ontologically, not inherently, but they are made meaningless because no one cares. For death to be meaningful you either have to be so powerful that anything you risk your life for will be impacted in some way. (Like, say, if you sacrifice a long life for immense martial power in a faustian bargain with a blade) Or if people with that kind of power care enough about you to do so for you. For most people, this isn't true. A starving street kid has no power to change the unfair world that put them there, even if they risk their life trying, and no one will do it for them once they die.
Nie Mingjue knows this in abstract, and of course rightfully believes it's wrong. But all that does is make it yet another righteous cause people should be willing to die for. Everyone's deaths should mean something, we'll make it so or die trying!
This is what the conflict between nieyao is about at its core. Because Jin Guangyao, fundamentally, cannot conceive of his own death as meaningful. Nie Mingjue grew up around powerful men who could change the world but refuse to do so because god forbid they risk a single hair on their perfect heads. Meng Yao, on the other hand, grew up in an environment where no one of importance would blink twice if you died. He was surrounded by meaningless death. Indeed his entire early life is defined by that lack of care.
Meng Shi dies and no one cares. Meng Yao gets thrown off a flight off stairs and no one cares. He has to be the one to do the caring, and once he's gone no one else will do it for him.
So he has to live.
Jin Guangyao eventually gets far enough that he actually does aquire the power to change some things... as long as he's alive. If he changes too much, holds on too tightly to his ideals, he'll die and it'll all be for nothing. He can't sacrifice himself for his goals because doing so would immediately render those goals unobtainable. No one will care about what he tried to do. He won't be a heroic sacrifice, he'll just be trash that finally cleaned itself up.
And well... Nie Mingjue dies, and someone makes it mean something. Makes it mean so much that the entire story of mdzs would not exist without it. Jin Guangyao dies and it doesn't mean anything. Most people are glad to be rid of him, and the few that are not don't do anything to change that.
he's not a vile creature he's just a little guy 😞
That's so noe
just because it has come up in conversations today, here's what novel canon meng yao says to nie mingjue when nie mingjue catches him killing the jin commander on the langya front:
Nie MingJue saw all of the scene. Without saying a word, he unsheathed his saber by an inch. A sharp ring pierced through the air. Hearing the familiar sound of unsheathing, Meng Yao immediately trembled. He spun around, his soul almost evaporating, “… Sect Leader Nie?”
Nie MingJue pulled all of his saber out of its sheath. The body of the sword glared brightly, yet the blade itself vaguely glinted in the red shade of blood. Wei WuXian could feel the billowing anger from him, along with emotions of disappointment and hatred. Meng Yao knew Nie MingJue’s character more than anyone else. He dropped the sword with a clang, “Sect Leader Nie, Sect Leader Nie! Please wait, please wait! I can explain!”
Nie MingJue shouted, “What do you want to explain?!”
Meng Yao threw himself over, half rolling and half crawling, “I had no other choice, I had no other choice!”
(EXR translation, pgs 476-477)
he doesn't deny what he did or try to say someone else did the killing like he does in cql. he just wants a chance to explain why he did it.
My least favourite phenomenon is when a story leaves a lot of details upto interpretation and some people decide to interpret one character with the utmost grace and another with almost biblical hatred, then decide any other interpretation is invalid.
Very few people are truly irredeemable, and these characters are far from the worst people in fiction.
This was the author’s footnote in chapter 115, unit in cm.
Nie Mingjue 191
Song Zichen 190
Lan Xichen 188
Lan Wangji 188
Wei Wuxian 186
Jin Zixuan 185
Jiang Wanyin 185
Xiao Xingchen 185
Wen Qionglin 183
Xue Yang 180
Mo Xuanyu 180
Nie Huaisang 172
Jin Guangyao 170 (without his hat but it’s doubtful whether the interior is heightened)
hang on, chengyao fake-dating for whatever reason would be fucking hilarious
Oh my god, Atsushi- ATSUSHI! WTF do you mean you don't have any reason to fight when they're killing Akutagawa RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!!
Why does this ungrateful brat (*affectionate but angry*) have to hallucinate Dazai to tell him that Kyouka and Lucy are alive for him to find a reason to fight when Akutagawa- WHO DIED ONCE SAVING ATSUSHI- is being killed in front of him?!
My poor boy Akutagawa, always the second, never the one, is apparently never enough for anyone.
jin guangyao for all his brains and schemes is not immune to the sunk cost fallacy
the transcript btw. It was hard to make it out on the video because of the blowhards yelling and me feeling incandescently blind and deaf with rage
oh, to have a leader with the moral fiber and strong backbone that Zelenskyy has