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They kinda explored that angle (Watson being hurt by Holmes’ deception) in the stage play with Jeremy and Edward, did they not? I wish there was video footage of that play somewhere.
The relationship between Holmes and Watson in the BBC adaptation feels downright antagonistic to me, which is one of the (many) reasons I’ve stopped watching that show.
“…my most treasured possession”
This is merely lip service, in my opinion. There’s no reflection of these sentiments on screen so far this season. In fact, there seems to be a deliberate effort to downplay the brotherly bond. Mrs. Singer (and her equally inept writing partner) are the worst offenders, and their scripts are probably more “officially sanctioned” by Bob than those of the other writers. So I’m compelled to believe that Bob Singer is no fan of the brother bond, but will use it for promotional purposes.
Some high points of Bob Singer’s panel at NJCon courtesy of @Fangasm_SPN and @Sam_Maddy on Twitter.
“Wisdom hairs”. I’m gonna use that. I started greying in my teens.
Jensen teasing Jared about his gray wisdom hairs. (X)
I hope you realize that in real life, Satan is merely using you for his sick and disgusting sexual fantasies and the worst thing is, is that you're not even aware of it and you're enjoying it. He likes to toy with the minds of both men and women when they should horrified and disgusted as to being used and abused in such a way. Angels and demons may do this to people, but never the Lord as he doesn't abuse his children. I hope 1 day you'll be able to seek him out.
1. This hardly english and I am not sure I understand it all. Angels and Demons do what now?!
2. How do you know what I do and do not believe? I never speak religion on Tumblr. My friends knows but it is not something I shout to the public cause I rather not be haunted by religious nuts aka you.
3. Why are you preaching to me? What did I do to derserve a long speech about the “real” Satan? I don’t write Lucifer fics!
Have a nice night anon and go preach somewhere else. I do not need saving!
Once again, the mysterious blond appears. And now he and Jared are wearing matching outfits. Anybody know who this guy is?
ETA: Never mind, he’s a lawyer from Austin.
J2, friends and fans at Stubb’s BBQ in Austin for the Old Crow Medicine Show concert, June 17th 2016 (x.x.x.x)
To the OP: you are being an asshole if you think that Jensen’s opinions about an imaginary ship disqualifies him from expressing support for the victims of a terrorist attack. Do you guys live in the real world? I have to go past a massacre site (ten minutes from where I grew up) whenever I visit my parents.
I am grateful for the support from the Supernatural cast, but I can’t help but find Jensen’s support ironic. The man who refuses to accept his bisexual character is amazingly accepting of the LGBT fans and people that were hurt in Orlando.
Maybe I’m being an asshole, I don’t know. I only know that if things don’t get better with queerbaiting on Supernatural… I will no longer be watching the show.
My heart goes out to you, Orlando. Please stay safe.
Bye bye Carver, and bye bye show. Singer was the one who brought Castiel back in the first place. Under his direction Misha will be made a lead, and the Gruesome Twosome (Buckner/Ross-Leming) will be made head writers.
HOLY SHIT.
Very well written. As a fellow Northern European, I recognize these sentiments all too well. We have a conservative government right now, but by US (Republican) standards they'd be regarded as moderate, even centrist. There's a part of me that wants to laugh at Trump, because he's like a cartoon villain, but the laughter gets stuck in my throat at the thought of him actually coming to power, and what it means in a wider context – if he's able to amass this support, what does that imply about USA as a nation? And what will the consequences be? Comedian David Mitchell described him well: "He’s built a campaign from gaffes alone. It’s like he’s found a way to make an incredibly strong suit of armour entirely out of chinks."
Those of us who can’t vote in the US presidential elections, but who are nevertheless indirectly but significantly affected by it, like to laugh at Trump. We like to point across the Atlantic, and shake our heads in incredulity that such an odious man, promoting such regressive, insular, arbitrary, hateful politics, could possibly be in the running. After all, there is nothing in the mainstream politics of north western Europe that is so far to the right as the current Republican Party; and if there was, we would write them off as fascists and consign them to whatever ugly, unpleasant, occasionally problematic hole they currently inhabit. We most certainly have anything like Trump. These two things - the horror show that is the GOP, and it’s caped, befanged arch villain, in what we consider a peer Enlightenment nation - inform our amusement and ridicule.
But it’s really not funny. There’s a reason why, in this part of the world, Trump’s politics would be considered the borderlands of fascism. It’s not just the breathtaking xenophobia; it’s all the rest, the savage economic politics, the poor hate, the homophobia, the weird obsession with guns and religion (which we just cannot comprehend), the warmongering, the sexism, the willingness to abandon the poor and the sick to poverty and death. And these are not simply cursory instincts, but deep, abiding, utter and as severe as it is possible to be. Trump is the figurehead of this movement, a movement that has significant numbers right across the US. This is not a tiny, unimportant fringe movement. This is a political movement that has a serious chance of winning the White House.
That’s not funny. That’s not something we should roll our eyes at. It’s terrifying, because it indicates that the problem lays not with Trump, but with some intrinsic quality of American culture. The most powerful nation in the world, the leader of the free world, a principal defender of Enlightenment values, is seriously considering handing the levers of power to a political movement that at its best an uncaring, truth hating, autocratic plutocracy and at worst a savage, illiberal theocracy.
None of us should be indifferent to that. We certainly shouldn’t be laughing.
I hate what this campaign is doing to fandom. And I’m one of the people who have expressed critical opinions on Jensen’s FB and basically been told to grow a sense of humour. The GOOD thing is that a lot of people ARE critical and are (finally) speaking out, consequences be damned. I wish I understood Jensen’s motivations for taking part in this.
Just want to say how much I love you all before I leave. I couldn’t take it anymore and posted my opinion of this creepy, stalkery yana campaign on twitter. Even my best friend turned on me. So, I’m out.
I’ll keep my hat polished, but I won’t be part of the #SPNFamily anymore. I don’t need an adopted family that hurts me more than my RL family does.
Love you, love the Js, love Supernatural. I just don’t have the strength to fight anymore.
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We will be so sorry not to have you here but I can’t even blame you at this point. There is nothing funny about stalking. It’s horrifying. I saw someone suggest that someone should tell Misha and Jensen politely that this is triggering and a bad idea, but every time someone tries to do just that, they get attacked. I just went on FB and saw one lady very politely suggest this very thing and she got called a bibro, a hater, and a bitch with a stick up her ass. This is of course coming from fans who are pretending to be so supportive of mental health issues. The truth is that they do not give a rat’s ass about mental health or this charity. They only care about it from a shipping perspective and it’s gross.
Please come and talk to us any time you want to either on here or by direct messaging. We love you and support you, okay? Don’t forget that. <3 –Admin N
I never thought the day would come when a video promoting a campaign supposedly in support of raising awareness about mental health issues would give me an anxiety attack.
Wow that new video of Misha’s is creepy as fuck.
Carver is the worst thing that has happened to Supernatural. So where are the complaints? Why has he lasted longer than Sera Gamble? Sera wasn't perfect, but she had a better understanding of the boys than Jeremy. Carver seems passive-aggressive to me. Like he wants to destroy the show. Bury it, and move on.
I think it’s a crying shame that Supernatural has been driven into the ground by a show runner who probably hasn’t had an original idea in his entire life.
Carver is absolutely TERRIBLE at what he does.
He’s a complete wank who thinks that canon is something you use to lob heavy ordinance at the enemy.
I wish he’d go play somewhere else but I suspect he’s still around for the same reasons the extra is, no one else will hire him.
How long does a Google search take, honestly? S1 has the best rating, S2 and 4 is tied at second. S9 holds the fourth spot (for whatever reason), and S3 is 5th. S10 has the lowest overall rating.
Just to put it into perspective- Season 1 averaged 4.52 million viewers Season 10 averaged 2.02 million viewers
No wonder they seem kind of offended by the fan’s casual dismissal of the first seasons.
“This will change the way you watch Spirited Away”. Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if it did :( And here I thought Miyazaki’s movies were incorruptible.
Okay. WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT?!?!? Jensen HATES DESTIEW YOU HALF BAKED TRASHY PIECE OF OVERGROWN HORSE SHIT!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!
@nancy444 @samanddeanunited SEND HELP!(and virtual liquor) I am seething with rage right now.
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If you like the thought of Destiel, ship it to your heart’s content. But fanon doesn’t equal canon. Dean has explicitly identified himself as straight in the show, Jensen Ackles has identified Dean as straight, Eric Kripke (the series creator) has identified Dean as straight. Have you even watched the show?
Why are some destiel shippers so angry that Dean is straight? It doesn’t have any effect on your fantasy. Dean’s sexuality is not open for debate, he likes women, yes only women. No, there isn’t any secret storyline that’s been hidden for the last 11 years. Dean fucks women and lots of them :) Shhh, don’t be so angry, keep shipping your little Dean/Cas thing, be happy with it, just stop pretending like SPN is going to rewrite Dean as gay or bi, never gonna happen.
Lucifer Sam was so good Pink Floyd wrote a song about him more than 40 years before he even came into being :)
This about sums it up.
I’ve seen more convincing acting in Ed Wood movies.
I've seen cartoon villains less corny than Misha's Lucifer
Bugs Bunny is making fun of him.
I’ve honestly come to the end of my patience with this show. No more.
When it was first suggested that Lucifer may be making a return to Supernatural, I was among the first to express some skepticism. Not only did it strike me as lazy writing, to resurrect a villain defeated five seasons before, I also had no confidence that this writing team could do the character justice. Experience is instructive, and I fully expected that Carver’s version of Lucifer would be as shallow and spiritless as many of his other villains have been. If it seemed that I was more upset by that thought, than I have been by the treatment of other villains, that is because I believe that the Lucifer of Classic Supernatural, and the story told around him, is such a powerful and complete piece of writing. A piece of writing that I did not want to see subjected to Carver’s usual vandalism.
Unexpectedly, however, I was given cause to doubt my gut instinct on the subject. The first half of season 11 aired, and I was pleasantly surprised. Suddenly it wasn’t the plastic, tawdry junk I had been subjected to for the preceding three seasons. There were episodes that I enjoyed; there was compelling writing, and engaging characters, and Sam and Dean looked a little bit more like Sam and Dean than they had in a long time. For a moment, that ridiculously little flame of hope burning deep in my fannish heart, leapt. Perhaps Carver had clued in to just what a disaster he had made of the show, had recovered his soul and had become again the writer that had given us AVSC and Mystery Spot.
Of course, I should have listened to my gut. Whatever goodwill was earned by episodes 1-9 of season 11, it was disintegrated by the contrived garbage I watched last night.
The only redeeming feature of “The Devil in the Details”, was the acting. With one notable exception, everyone was on their A-game. Pelegrino and Padaelcki were mesmerizing together, and Jensen Ackles was as much Dean as I have ever seen. Even the ridiculous Pantomime Dames of Supernatural, Crowley and his mother, earn a mention for their solid performance (the nonsensical pre-credit sequence notwithstanding). And, I suppose, I should also credit the “broments”. Dean’s “have you met me” line was perfect, and Sam’s strong statement of faith in his brother was a particularly satisfying moment, following as it did four seasons where one might have been forgiven for thinking the brothers really didn’t like each other. If I hesitate to laud those gems of fraternal devotion, it’s because the totality of the episode had the effect of making those moments feel like obligations. They were added because that’s the “Supernatural formula”, and it’s what the fans’ expect. In other words, poor currency that didn’t purchase nearly enough goodwill to endure the remainder of the episode.
I’m not even sure where to begin with my substantive criticism, because there was so much that disappointed, or straight-out offended me. I suppose Lucifer is the obvious jumping point. My principal concern when I heard the Devil was returning for a major part in season 11, was a conviction (not disproved) that Carver would not be able to do that character justice, but worse would completely negate everything that had gone before. The Winchester’s war with the Morningstar was a complete, and powerful story; “Swan Song” the perfect denouement to the drama and pathos of season 5. That fight needed no further elaboration, it needed no further examination. It was perfect: Sam and Dean defeated the Devil, and they did it with brotherly love. Perfection doesn’t require elaboration. Resurrecting the Devil after that would be like Sauron climbing out of the rubble of Mount Doom, or the Emperor clawing his way back up the Death Star’s reactor shaft, or Voldemort appearing on the back of Lucius Malfoy’s head; in other words, a piece of poor quality fanfic, that rendered the trauma and sacrifice of the heroes completely nugatory.
That is, of course, exactly what I think happened last night. In one episode, Jeremy Carver and his team have succeeded in completely invalidating everything that Sam and Dean fought and died for. And for what benefit? The totality of the dialogue in 11.10 was a redux of themes in season 5; almost verbatim in some places. That doesn’t even deserve the title of elaboration; it’s naked, lazy plagiarism. Even more offensive than that, was the opportunity the writers took to make their voices heard through the dialogue. The whole sequence of Lucifer’s play, to the backdrop of Sam and Amelia, was overwhelmingly redolent of Jeremy Carver’s known, and particular, opinion on the brothers and their relationship. I didn’t hear Lucifer speaking in that sequence, I heard Jeremy Carver via Andrew Dabb. Writing 101 teaches that the writer’s voice should never be heard, not even in the narrative; it’s for your characters to communicate your argument, if you have one to make, and communicate it subtly. Not as a piece of anvil-dropping that amounted to nothing so much as a rebuttal to criticism. This is what I heard in that dialogue; not an expression of Lucifer’s character, but an argument directed at the fandom, or at best, a piece of very thin apologia for the character’s resurrection.
Invalidating Sam’s 140 years in hell, and enduring Carver’s lecture, are of course, not the only reasons why resurrecting Lucifer is a bad idea. The other obvious problem is the appalling creative laziness it implies. Apparently, this writing team is completely bereft of ideas for antagonists, themes and characterization. It is an appalling thing to acknowledge, that since Carver took over, the only original villain of the Supernatural universe, is its most irritating, Metatron. Almost all of the female villains – Eve, Abaddon, Rowena, Amara – are near carbon copies of each other, because again apparently the writing team can’t contemplate any female roles that aren’t a version of “sassy hot bad ass, usually with a thing for Dean”. Not a single one of those villains, comes even remotely close to the delicious menace of Meg, or Yellow Eyes, or Lilith or Alistair. Devoid of the skills, or the inclination, to give us an original, powerful antagonists, the season 11 writing team resurrects Lucifer, and rehashes season 5 for us. I’m not inclined to be grateful. If they were going to bring an old villain back, they could at least have given us Alistair or Meg. Certainly, we need another female character now that they’ve killed off Rowena. I was no fan of the Pantomime Witch, but again her death served no purpose other than to show how awful the Devil was (we know, he’s the Devil, we saw him a lot in season 5, remember?), and has successfully reduced female representation on Supernatural to a bit-part reaper, and the cameos of Sheriff Mills and Donna.
Of course, Lucifer wasn’t the only angel to suffer at the hands of the writer’s lack of inspiration. There was Castiel, too. Castiel. What on Earth, is the fucking point? If Castiel is so boring, so irrelevant, that the only way you can make him interesting, is by making him into Lucifer, then you have to start wondering whether it’s worth keeping him. Does he contribute anything, anything at all, to the story, now? Because, it seems that the only time Castiel is relevant, is when he’s not Castiel. Is that meant to be irony? Perhaps his motivation is meant to be ironic; after all he’s making the exact same mistake he made in season 6. More redux from the inspired creative team at Supernatural. It would be funny if it wasn’t so infuriating.
What wasn’t funny was the pre-credit sequence I mentioned earlier. Other than a brief piece of exposition, that could have been disposed of in a line, this added nothing. All I got from it was an excruciating feeling of second hand embarrassment, and an inclination of how the rest of the episode was going to go.
In summary, then, and speaking plainly, the episode was awful. I hesitate to describe it as contrived garbage, because I seem to use that phrase often in relation to this show, and I don’t want to be guilty of a lack of imagination. But contrived it was, and I think that’s Supernatural’s enduring and apparently insurmountable problem. It absolutely is a flaw in the writing, but more specifically a flaw in how the writing is approached. Episodes of Supernatural are no longer flowing, organic pieces of storytelling. They’re Lego Kit writing: a preconceived piece of shallow spectacle, built from little perfectly formed bricks of wow. The ambition here is not to tell a story; it’s to amaze, it’s to impress with the next piece of Dramatic Dialogue, to scintillate with the next piece of awesome SFX; to show how cool-awesome the next Big Bad is. The same gaudy pieces stuck together repeatedly, following a check-list, and packaged to impress us with its style.
The problem is, there is no story beyond the formula it’s built from. The Emperor really does have no clothes.
There’s no way this bunck of secod-rate performers willl outdo the Norwegian parodies (executed by some of Norway’s best comedians).
https://youtu.be/vPLsFTOpCRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aMU4g2B_Wo
https://youtu.be/Cv0oCQrQCZ4
That Hillywood show is now asking fans to help them raise 25k to create a new parody video.
Wow, just wow
What exactly do they need money for? THEY are the ‘stars’ of the parodies. Their sets are cheap cardboard. I”m sure extras are their friends, so what exactly do they pay for?
David Prowse will always be “Julian the bodyguard” from A Clockwork Orange to me. He even got to speak a few lines in that one.
I wonder if that high school kid who was dressed as Darth Vader was upset that they didn’t use his voice for the movie
*snort*. I’m imagining Jared, backstage at VanCon 2014:
-“Thomas, say hi to Uncle Jensen”. -”But I don’t know hi..” -“SAY HI TO UNCLE JENSEN!”
Devil's Advocate/misanthrop anon: has anyone ever wondered if J2 are just playing the speculation on their relationship for the ratings? It's possible (though unlikely. You can't fake the looks they give each other.)
That’s something that het stans and shippers of that other ship bring up all the time. It’s more than unlikely- it’s ludicrous. The tin hats are a very tiny part of the fandom. There are more J2 shippers that don’t truly believe they’re in a relationship but they still aren’t a big enough group to effect ratings. Supernatural has had fairly steady ratings for awhile now. Not high ratings, mind you, but steady. There are some fluctuations but they have nothing to do with the actors’ real lives. I don’t think their relationship has any influence on that. Now if Jensen and Jared only played up their relationship at cons or on set (the way Jensen doors with other actors on the show), I might think this is a valid point. But the fact that they’re together all the time, that they moved to be close to each other, that they choose to go on vacation together and spend holidays together, makes people who say that it’s for PR or ratings look ridiculous. That would be a pretty elaborate scheme with absolutely no real payoff for the show. –Admin N
Maybe you should check out the term “fan service”. Destielers queerbait themselves, they don’t need any help from the show.
After seeing this anon ask, I realized that I didn’t have the actual gifs available. So I found them in this biased article.
Copedendent boys are codependent. Oh, and #seananddean, LOL
DID Y'ALL SEE THE NEW PICS? THEY ARE TOGETHER! UYFDF FFFDFF FHH Sorry for the freak out, but till now, I was holding out till confirmed. Id like to see the het stans explain this! :) J2 are their own fanfic!
Yes, EVERYONE! LET THE FREAK OUT BEGIN! I’m sure the het fans will find a way to wave this away by assuring everyone that the wives are really there and just don’t want to be seen or whatever, but that’s okay. We know what’s up. ;) –Admin N
There could very well be a spillover effect from last week, ratings-wise. I hope the hype reflects the reality, and that the brother relationship will be front and center and the angel (who will at least be represented with a phone call) not disturb the dynamic between the brothers, so much as to alter the impact of their relationship for the sake of pandering. But since this episode is written by Robbie Thompson, I expect any profound scene between the brothers to be cheapened and undermined by Destiel fan service. Hopefully I'm wrong.
hello-nicolexoxo-love replied to your post “One side we see Misha desperate for attention with his newest tweet…”
I am convinced it’s because of the brother articles and the brother episode tomorrow . He’s scrambling to stay relevant . Especially after his centric episode last week flopped , he doesn’t want the network honchos to ax him .
Yes, and don’t forget the Con over the weekend. So much J2 and not enough of him. AND if the ratings for tomorrow’s episode KILL, it will be even worse for him.
Looks to me like Jensen is leaning backwards to address Singer, and is not having a “private conversation” with Misha. Angles can be misleading.
Jensen & Misha “private conversation” vs J2 private conversation. Just sayin’. ;)
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I never want to see Jensen (or Jared) pander to the Destiel/Cockles shippers again. It's not a legitimate selling point for the show, as the ratings regarding the most recent episode has demonstrated. Most regular viewers aren't shippers at all. They just want action/adventure, which SOAPernatural was once able to deliver, but no more.
It was mindless drivel without a single redeeming quality.
The ratings for last night FLOPPED so I guess all those "omg everyone watches for Destiel!!!" people can go fuck themselves now lol
Because bad is bad.
Upon the release of “Return of the King” in 2003, Viggo made a spontaneous and unannounced visit to Colosseum, the biggest movie theatre in Oslo, on the day of the premiere. He entered the stage, sang and read elvish poetry to the audience. Genuinely cool guy.
*HAPPY BIRTHDAY* Viggo Mortensen (10/20/1958)
“Life is short and the older you get, the more you feel it. Indeed, the shorter it is. People lose their capacity to walk, run, travel, think, and experience life. I realise how important it is to use the time I have.”
Viggo Mortensen
God knows I didn’t always agree with you, Gail, but I certainly didn’t want this :(
Rest In Peace Gail. I hope your kids and grandkids will find comfort in this hard time. 1945-2015
What the....!? I’m glad I live in a nation where bathing with your children is a bonding exercise and considered a norm (rather than a deviation from the norm).
(Different anon) Perez Hilton has been taking a lot of hits lately because he posted a picture of him and his child bathing together to make it more fun. Danneel then responded with "it's so absurd! I bath with my daughter everyday, sometimes twice a day(if it's a super dirty day) Saves times and we have fun!" it's on her twitter replies. I think both were asking for trouble with talking about a controversial matter such as that, I don't care about Jessica and Jep, but I can see the anger.
Ah! Okay. I missed that. I honestly don’t understand people getting worked up about bathing with your child. I used to do that sometimes when my oldest daughter was little and we were in a hurry to get somewhere. But tweeting about it is a little bit TMI maybe? I don’t know. Thanks, anon! –Admin N