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why do some people insist on characterising livio as being appalled or shocked or scared or whatever by razlo's actions, like it isn't a point in the manga that livio shouldered all of the hard shit onto razlo (and felt bad about and apologised to him for it later btw), like livio isn't Also a Death Cult Raised Murdering Super Assassin who was prized by the eye because he was a Very Good Death Cult Raised Murdering Super Assassin 😑 razlo isn't really even any more violent than livio (or wolfwood for that matter), he just likes to have fun when he fights.
like you know livio made the choice to kill people for the eye, right? don't forget that about him. that agency of him deliberately choosing to do bad is crucial to his heelface and new lease on life later on. i think maybe a lot of you guys are just fucking weird about systems and think "evil alters" are actually a thing bc you saw a couple bad horror movies and want to malign razlo to--what, exactly? make livio look weaker and more innocent than he actually is? he kills people. he's a gung ho gun. he's one of the eye's best. he was totally fine with threatening the orphanage and using the kids as bait for wolfwood.
as much as i love rowena (which is, like, a lot, shes literally my lockscreen), i do not think we as a fandom engage with her character correctly. she was an abusive mother. end of sentence. full stop. is she trying to be better? yes. does she achieve that by the end of her arc? i believe so! but we need to talk about it!! we need to talk about the fact that she was a horrible mom! shes the john winchester of moms! and canon makes this perfectly clear, regularly!
she was, at the VERY LEAST, an emotionally abusive mother!! she raised crowley for 8 years and in that time destroyed crowleys self-esteem and trust and gave him abandonment issues that literally haunt him 400 years later. that's crazy!! how do you do that!!
how do you fuck up so intensely and specifically that your son still hates you that long after but actively doesn't want you dead! what the fuck!??