Perhaps Complex is the wrong word...its more Confusing.
But we have all read the Chinese Complaints and they are Cast isn't Hot Enough Compared To MCU, Fight Scenes Were Lame Compared to Wuxia and What You Get in Anime (High Standards for Sword Fights), Continuity Not User Friendly (They didn't get the old movies) and Plot was boring and confusing with the First Order not competent enough.
Short Answer: KK needs copy Feige’s Notes.
1) The First I am not really going to comment on if the actors are attractive enough too much but I would have to agree in general....Lupita you don't see and Oscar is the only one he pretty universally be considered super hot.
2) Hard to argue the fights aren't lame. Sorry Driver and Ridley just aren't that good and Boyega and Christie got nothing to work with since they got 30 seconds. The Force users didn't look Superhuman enough, I know they don't want to do Prequel twirling but times have changed and standards have gone up.
3) Hard to argue with this one but you cant really fix it super easily if you want to do Skywalker Saga Films this close to the OT.
4) The biggest sin is this...150 mins is long for an American Audience...its even worse for an audience who has to read subs. Beyond that it was boring for most of that time...reminds me of BvS too long without quality fight scenes.
The positive here is Disney cannot ignore RJ and KK failing to secure Chinese Box Office so even if the movie makes 1.3-1.4 Billion. This is a major strike that probably sinks RJ trilogy alone and weakens KK.
All the articles I've read on tlj underperforming in China bend over backwards trying to find an explanation that isn't "tlj sucks and Chinese people have standards". Like, they go 'Oh, Star Wars was never that big there! The OT never got a theatrical release!' but... tfa and ro both did, and got better results... if anything, tlj should have had more success, after them! They need better excuses (or to start MAYBE questioning why so many people didn't like it a bit more)
Also I’m sad about how articles even from usually good sites (eg Vox, which is the one I just read) pull the ‘fans just didn’t want complexity and new things!’ card while also criticizing Poe (“That f’ing guy”, “a 360-degree disaster”, blaming him for the near-destruction of the resistance…) and praising its feminist themes and how Poe should have listened to Holdo & Leia… (“Again and again, women try to set [Poe] straight, but he ignores or defies them”. UMM *white women) (½)
(2/2) … and just, completely missing the point! Like, in that article, Holdo & Leia creeping onto Poe is, apparently, “regarding Poe fondly” and Poe not facing the consequences. …I would also talk about Finn, but he was barely even mentioned (really goes to show how much he is the “male lead” under rian “kylo” johnson), and only in the context of “Finn and Rose […] played a direct role in the death of thousands of their fellow Rebels”. AND THE WRITER IS STILL NOT GETTING IT. smh …
These people are so far up Disney’s and Johnson’s asses that they can’t see or choose to ignore how awful and nonsensical the writing is, and how bad the movie is as a result. A 150 minute runtime for an action adventure flick is already quite a lot to ask of the audience, but to make it a rambling, meandering bore? Especially while opening in countries where you can’t rely on the SW brand to draw audiences? What level of entitlement does it take to think SW is owed viewers while putting out crappy and boring product, and that if people don’t see it in the projected numbers they’re in the wrong and don’t have the requisite intelligence to appreciate Johnson’s genius?
I’m also loving the way the white feminists are crawling out of the woodwork screaming about how revolutionary it is that white women are humiliating and brutalizing men of color in completely OOC and contrived scenarios. I see what their “feminism” is about and it ain’t pretty.
We gave them chance with TFA...RJ and KK decided to square the racism.
me: i hate tlj
whites: why
me: it’s so racist
whites: yea you havent seen it so why do you hate it
as if racism is not a good enough reason to hate something lmao???????
It fails on every possible level.
And apparently the Force tree and its contents aren’t explained either 😂😂😂
Looks like I was right its a good thing Lando dodged the RJ bullet...Lando drunk and selling out the Resistance to the First Order? That be as bad as Luke and far worse then Han.
I have to quote one of my favorite A-Team episodes here, to sort of convey the awfulness:
Murdock: We’ve hit rock bottom, now the only place we can go is up
(Person the team is rescuing pulls a gun on them)
Face: This is up?
Okay did RJ even watch TFA? Lets say I buy Rey is a Random and convinced herself that her parents didn't sell her and were coming back. Why is Unkar feeding into her delusions? He offers to pay a crap ton for BB-8, she is slave why is not just taking BB-8 instead. Also she didn't get sold for massive amounts of credits cause she is strong in the Force? Again why not what makes it seem like Unkar has a heart and cares about anything besides money.
I am not sure what is worse the verdict or not being surprised at all that this verdict happened in AmeriKKKa. And yet Racism is dead and Reverse Racism against White People is worse then that against actual POC.
Poor Jhoira bumped off the pack for some Aven and a Benalish Knight? No Spark, No Packet Apparently. Teferi is back and Karn looks like Thanos.
Toyfair Reveals! Big news: Teferi is a Planeswalker again! Source: https://t.co/AC3nnf6Pgm
I hated JJ’s Finn but at least Finn had fucking plot relevance and some agency. RJ doesn't even give him that...so will see what JJ wants to do. Never did I think I be praying for JJ to save Finn...and Poe. JJ has more power this time against KK then he did last time though. He made Disney 2 Billion and KK has fired far too many directors to do it again.
do you think Finnrey still has a chance? Or is it just Finnrose and Reylo now?
its all abusive ships from here on out!!!
nah but really idk… if jj retcons the shit out of this film maybe finnpoe or finnrey will get a chance but… dont put too much hope on that. we cant even get finn a barebones arc idk about a good romance. ;/
I don’t have a problem with Shuri being smart...I have a problem with them nerfing T’Challa’s Intelligence to boost Shuri. Cap, Stark, and Thor didn't lose anything to boost their supporting cast why should Black Panther be the exception? Him being a Super Genius is a core part of the character that looks to be underserved in this movie just so Shuri can have something to do.
On the first day of Black History Month, a random writer on Archive of Our Own gave to me… two separate stories that framed Shuri – T’challa’s brilliant baby sister in Black Panther – as a character that couldn’t possibly be as smart as the MCU claims and as a victim of child abuse by the Wakandan elite who are “taking advantage” of her brilliance.
These stories were written in response to Black people calling out the author’s racism in deeming Shuri a Mary Sue in Black Panther in a tumblr post (that used the Black Panther tag) and subsequently writing off the film.
I said I’d do my “What Fandom Racism Looks Like” series during the summer, but this “Shuri is a Mary Sue” nonsense has me heated and the vent video did not help. So I’ve started early.
This is a post about how one user calling Shuri a Mary Sue and all the support that they got for their racist stories doubling down on their take is emblematic of what fandom racism looks like.
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They are making Rey pathetic. Oh he feels so bad did she forget what happens after he kills his father? Instead of curling up into a ball or going to find medical treatment after Chewie shoots him or going to stop the Starkiller from killing his mother. He decides to try to drag Rey before Snoke causing a scuffle that results in her supposed BFF going into a fucking coma and also includes throwing her into a tree.
But because Luke tried to kill him for being evil (ignore the character assassination)? That justifies killing Han. Killing Lor San Tekka, Slaughtering a bunch of villages and joining a fascist regime that loves child soldiers and destroying solar system, and killing all the resistance.
I am sorry wanting to bang a girl cause you think she is hot and you can make super babies does not make someone good or conflicted. Plenty of serial killers have had families and been upstanding members of their communities.
Star Wars, Now An Alt Right Wet Dream. I mean sheesh Wonder Woman believes in Love and Compassion didn't mean she was getting the hots for Ares instead of taking care of business by putting him 6 feet under.
the spoilers have been confirmed from MULTIPLE PEOPLE at press screenings today. I understand why people don’t want to believe anything until they see the film but it is what it is
This guy works for the Guardian. Its confirmed I am sorry no New Trilogy for Rian Johnson and Disney must clean house at LucasFilm, Kathleen K Kennedy must go. Any POC in a management position at LF should resign as well. Star Wars now an Alt-Right wet dream never did I expect such blatant sexism, racism and disregard for George Lucas Canon in my fucking life.
i have never known fear like this before in my life