So Some Loa Bloggers Said That You Get To Experience Your Manifestation Instantly In 4D But The Human

the “physical” world vs “imagination” = consciousness ☘️

i get a LOT of questions regarding people grasping the no separation, consciousness is the only thing that exist, but then they relate the “real world” to what they see physically. human senses are misleading and you should never lead your understanding with them.

for example, the kitchen stove now exist to you because you’re aware of it. do you see it right now though? do you hear it? can you taste it? no! but that doesnt mean it does not exist.

your physical world and how you perceive it is just as fake as your “imagination” and how you perceive it. the only real reality that exist right now is consciousness. consciousness is nothing because consciousness is everything. nothing goes on until you the observer observes moments happening. that is what the present is. that is the only perception of time you actually have. everything else like the past, future, tomorrow, yesterday, in a few hours doesn’t exist.

HOWEVER whatever you observe is not real because it CAME to your awareness. you had to become aware of it for it to exist, while consciousness will always exist. whether or not you understand non dualism, thats why it doesn’t matter if “you” don’t understand because the “you” that has to understand non dualism doesnt exist.

consciousness is the only thing that actually exist and you are this consciousness. a favorable story “you” like to tell yourself is that you are a human being experiencing this earth as a human. and i mean go for it but i wouldnt let it control you. because you are MUCH more.

i cannot describe exactly how powerful you are. its not possible because any words of power automatically limits us. “god” “master manifester” “shifter” “witch” “astrologer” are forms of consciousness youve created to understand human conditions. you are much more than that because you are all of that. so seeing you limit yourself to the human condition is very interesting to say the least. sure human emotions can be fun to experience but so can rollercoasters. are you gonna let that control you?

all im saying is, understand what you are and then you can truly experience “life” however you please. there’s nothing wrong with “desiring” youre just wasting energy by desiring the process to achieve things and not the thing itself. you are EVERYTHING so why limit yourself? you have everything instantaneous so why focus on getting anything?

would a god limit themselves? would a god look at the human condition and be like “damn youre so right this is hopeless..” no? then WHY are you? circumstances don’t arise with adjectives like “hard” or “easy” theyre just circumstances youre aware of and as the observer you give the circumstances their identity. whether or not its real, it is negative, positive, WHATEVER! all of these are connotations you as consciousness are giving these experiences. and it is your fault. by accepting responsibility of circumstances that arise and by working WITH them you can condition yourself into understanding theyre not real anyway. they only have the power the observer gives them. dont be a victim in your own reality. LIVE YOUR LIFE <3

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Another tip about 'materialization', a lot of you are coming from a place of "let me make this thing suddenly appear that wasn't already here before" or "I don't have this thing and now I'm suddenly going to have this thing"

Both of which indicate that you still think you are Vanessa, and that you are in lack!

It's okay to be human, to feel emotions. this will not affect your manifestation in any way. you were born to experience humanness. do not go feral trying to manifest guys, it's absolutely okay to spiral, you can always go back to your state, you do not have to be perfect my darlings. applying the law should not always be in your mind. of course, you are god and you create everything but do not forget to enjoy the human experience as well.

ive never understood that when you have a problem the only way to get rid of it is not identifying with the problem and letting yourself be, but then what will actually take care of that problem? how is to let yourself be? is it to recognize you’re not the body-mind?

read this first part

i spent like 5 minutes looking for a 4dbarbie post that fits your question, but the thing is they all do. i could put like 10 posts here, but that's not helpful. i need you to act from the understanding and see what happens.

(world includes body and mind too)

world is just thoughts in mind

mind is not real

so, world is not real in the way that you think it is

it seems real

so problem not real

are you gonna allow a thought to filter natural perfection? this happens when you identify with it

try it and see. take attention away from anything you want. remember to be honest with yourself, so many times you can be like "I've moved on" but you actually haven't.

q&a

a q and a of most of my asks

basics

where do i start?

what do ppl who follow ND have as a "goal"?

is it necessary to read the book?

could you simplify non-duality in a few sentences?

how do i observe ego?

how do i practice letting my thoughts and emotions pass throughout the day?

i feel like i keep going back to my human body-self-mind. how do i stop this?

how do i just apply?

do i have to quiet the mind?

how is life a dream and also self?

if we choose what to take real or not, is ego truly real?

how to stop battling the ego?

who's the one thinking? Who's the thinker?

thoughts that come up in the mind and thoughts that don't

how to not get involved with the ego?

other questions

i am still trying to understand the concept of space-time.

does continuity not exist?

does remembering the past make it current?

what is imagination?

is detachment important?

what is self inquiry?

why would consciousness express in this body? why does manifestation exist? why do we still suffer?

ego worries

how would one approach in the dualistic perspective of being rejected, the need for validation, not feeling chosen?

i have to give up?? but i have a life and responsibilities?

how do i deal with the worst time of my life? / i've put my life on hold (tw: health problems, sa, death)

my ego lives such a boring life

my ego, how to make it stop calling me delusional? i have anxiety

dissociation and nondualism

how do things happen?

even if thoughts aren't me, they still limit me (+ how to view everything as self?)

progress

how do I remove the urge of trying to let this click?

I don’t actually really know how to apply any ND knowledge

i get really confused why they say stop trying to realize that you are oneness

i'm trying so hard and nothing is happening!

it feels like i'm just forcing myself... / self inquiry

am i supposed to just keep observing this character till what? what should i do now?

desires / choosing a different character

materialisation

how do we "choose a different character?"

is this not like loa?

using nondualism as a way to get something material?

i need to manifest instantly please help

i don't understand what to do about desires

how do i fix a big problem?

what is the point of being God if there is no desiring?

sp question

void state question

i don’t understand how when i imagine something is already happening?

i have to do something i don't want to do...

can i wake up in a better place?

changing the past

how to just choose what i want?

Self-realization vs derealization

I saw an ask @adadisciple about derealization and thought I'd add my 2 cents here as I have experienced derealization in the past and might be able to offer a bit more insight. I didn't want to reblog that ask for personal reasons and also the response is really long. Disclaimer: I am not a therapist either, my thoughts are based on personal experience alone so take whatever feels right and leave the rest. Also I can't speak from the perspective of full realization as I am not there yet but hopefully this helps in some way.

When I first found non-dualism, I also had similar concerns as someone who had experienced derealization, I thought: was this another thing that was going to induce it?

Let's start with the definition (thank you Google) for those reading who may be unclear:

Depersonalization/derealization disorder involves a persistent or recurring feeling of being detached from one's body or mental processes, like an outside observer of one's life (depersonalization), and/or a feeling of being detached from one's surroundings (derealization).

From personal (human/ego) experience, this condition is purely of the mind and body with blocked awareness (? not sure if this is correct terminology, I am not talking about pure awareness in this case but more mindfulness*) and is often just a symptom of another mental or physical condition/illness such as depression/anxiety etc. The mind and/or body are just completely detached however, there is clouded awareness (due to the mind/body) and you just feel like you are existing and floating around. You are very much still a part of the world and identify as such even if you have lost faith in everything you feel as real. It's sort of hard to put into words but if you have experienced derealization too, then hopefully you can relate and understand what I am getting at. When I experienced it, I didn't know of any truth. I just lost faith in the world and didn't know what was real anymore. So, I was completely checked out.

*Mindfulness is paying full attention to what is going on in you and outside you, moment by moment, without judgment. (thanks Google)

Ada made a really good distinction here (I suggest reading the full ask)**:

The point of this all was to let go of concepts, let go of believing in things, investigating their validity, experimenting. Disbelieving you are Vanessa and denial are not the same thing. Denial is when you deny reality to something you're already giving reality to. Disbelieving was meant as an experiment, you never thought yourselves to be anything but this body, what will happen if you did?

**Actually, re-reading that ask made me realize maybe a reblog of an exercise I recommended is not the best since it instructs denial of what ego believes to be real instead of disbelief and experimentation (eep, Vanessa is still learning and evolving!). See my edit on this post :)

Here is another relevant and helpful ask by 4dbarbie:

I don't teach to do anything to the 3D, not even deny it. Not seeing the world as it is, is an aversion to it. - Lester Levenson Your 3D is right and perfect, what you see is what you are so even if you're seeing what 'you' don't want, the 3D is not wrong in being what it is. Fearing it, trying to manipulate it, lying to yourself about it being something different - all useless and vain attempts. See it as it is and it will fix itself. And no, being delusional is not good, it leads you not to trust your own judgment OR senses. Which is not right, why shouldn't you? What is wrong with your vision? Being delusional from your ego self is really harmful, someone could be abusing you and you would go "i'm sure that's not right he loves me so much in my 4D!!!"

So lets clarify the distinction:

Derealization = denial of everything while still identifying as the ego although not wanting to => ego experiences confusion/chaos/mental condition/disorders

Self-realization = disbelief of current reality concepts => letting go of such concepts and quieting the mind => experiencing the true Self (the creator of the mind) => permanent identification with Self, not imaginary concepts (including the ego) => Knowing Reality, and therefore realizing full peace and freedom

Now let's move onto practicing non-dualism. The basis of the practice is let go of thoughts, quiet the mind and focus on being awareness/I AM. It is all about letting go, not denial.

From a non-dualist perspective, derealization is just another mental concept/creation. When the mind is completely silent (and sustained) and pure awareness is realized and embodied, when Self is your permanent identification, when you (Self) know you are not your body not Vanessa feeling dissassociated from mind & body or just intellectually knowing it from learning concepts (important distinction!), it is not derealization, in fact it is the only reality, the only truth.

I have experienced short moments of experiencing myself as the pure witness where the mind was completely quiet and those short moments felt so peaceful, whole and true. There were no feelings of derealization in that moment because there was no active mind then. Right now, I do think my ego feels a bit derealized at times but this is because I have not fully identified with Self yet and it is also because my sense and understanding of reality is in the process of being recalibrated on this journey. When this happens, I sit in silence and go back to the one truth 'I Am' and feel myself into it and everything else melts away. The more you do this, the more you will feel the truth and peace until it becomes permanent (when you realize Self).

But no one can give you the whole truth but yourself.

Lester: Yes. However, knowing what you're telling me helps one let go of that obstacle of intellectual knowledge. I prod you in this direction, don It I? I say: “Don't believe anything. Start from scratch. Build up your knowledge on the solid foundation of proof, step by step.” Everyone must do this. Q: You can't take someone else's experience? Lester: Right, you would be working on hearsay, on what they have said, and the only useful thing is that which you experience. I relate it to driving a car. If I say I know how to drive a car after reading a book that directs you to turn the key on, start the motor, shift into drive and step on the gas, do I know how to drive a car? No, not until I experience it can I drive a car. It's the same thing on the path; we must experience everything. We must, of course, adopt the attitude that what the Great Ones say is so, that they have experienced it. However, you must check it out and prove it for yourself. And the basic Truth is that there’s only one Reality; there's only one absolute Truth, and that is that this whole world or universe is nothing but God, but better than that, is nothing but my very own Self. God could be far away; He could be miles and miles away in cosmic space, but my very own Self is right here, is something I know about, is something I can perceive, it is my very own Self! So, using Self as God is far more practical than putting Him out there, putting Him apart from us. But each one must start from the bottom and prove this whole thing for himself. As the proofs come, the more they come the more we accept until we experience the whole thing. - Lester Levenson, Session 11: Meditation with Quest - Keys to Ultimate Freedom

"And the basic Truth is that there’s only one Reality; there's only one absolute Truth" I literally didn't even read this excerpt before sharing it (searched the book for the keyword 'proof' because I was looking for another excerpt) but came to the conclusion after practicing and experiencing it for myself. And that is what you must do if you want the truth too. Experience and then decide for yourself.

This perceived and experienced knowledge is the only knowledge that does us any good. We can read everything on the subject, but it doesn’t help. Our life doesn’t change much, and it doesn’t because we don’t integrate the knowledge into our beingness through realization. Realized knowledge is nonintellectual, although the means we use are intellectual. We use our mind, we direct our mind toward the answer, but you will discover that the answer does not come from the mind. It comes from a place just behind the mind. It comes from the realm of knowingness, the realm of omniscience. By quieting the mind through stilling our thoughts, each and every one of us has access to this realm of knowingness. Then and there you realize, you make real. You know and you know that you know. - Lester Levenson, Session 6: Realization - Keys to Ultimate Freedom

If you want to understand more about the process of realizing Self, I recommend reading my 4dbarbie remix post. If you have already read it, reread it, maybe even read some of the referenced posts/asks and see if you get any new understanding. Or better yet, just sit in silence and stillness, quiet the mind and focus on 'I Am'.

I must emphasise that in non-duality, letting go of the ego is the basic foundation of practice as it is very much a journey of self-transformation (this is just another concept to help the ego understand, but you are always and have always been Self, you just do not see it as you are currently identified as the ego).

If you (the ego) are not willing to do that, then come back when you are ready. It is not up to anyone to convince you to adopt this practice and way of life.

let these doubts and negative thoughts go don't give them the attention they want. Are they even doing you a favor? paying your rent?? let them go no holding them anymore just tell them you don't care and never would believe them, accept the truth that you can have whatever you want right now

THE VOID IS WITHIN YOU, you aren't going outside of your body to space or some magical place you are just going deep inside within you and being your truest form you already have it inside you it's not going anywhere, you can be in your void state anytime or anywhere :))

This body is totally imagined. As I sit here on the couch, with my eyes closed, I see images of the body, I feel sensations associated with it, and it all happens within my perception; there’s nothing external in it. I open my eyes, I look at my hands and feet, and these so-called parts of my so-called body are still images and sensations within my perception. I can separate them from the rest of my visual world and call them my body, but that separation is still an act of mind, and the images are always of a past, even if the past happened a nanosecond ago. They’re part of a movie of reality; they’re not reality itself. Why would I believe that a movie on the mind’s screen is real? Every time I try to focus on what is real about this body, it’s gone, and the “I” who focuses is gone too. 

There’s nothing solid. Not only the dream but even the dreamer is forever gone. And the dreamed body—I sit it, I stand it, I walk it, I feed it, I brush its teeth, I dress it in clothes, I put it to bed at night and lift it from bed in the morning, and none of that is real. It’s all a projection of mind. To imagine that there is anything outside the mind is pure delusion.

Even physical pain is imagined. When you’re asleep, does your body hurt? When you’re hurting, and the phone rings, and it’s the call you’ve been longing for and you’re mentally focused on the conversation, there’s no pain. If your thinking changes, the pain changes.

Byron Katie

Idk what happened to me bug when I discovered nondualism I just GOT IT, like I was free I understood everything and I was confused at other ppl who would ask questions to other teachers bc I was like " that's so easy to understand as awareness" but then I fell off, overconsumed and can't believe anything. My mind/thoughts started going insane and i started having breakdown after breakdown and feeling trapped in my body. I started thinking about desires and mg thoughts were so rapid I'm getting legit migranes from all the stress, even when I try to detach from it, I don't know what tk believe I don't know what to do or whether to start. All I can think about right now is "how to" get my desires, "yow to" get back to that euphoric feeling in the beginning, right now it feels like nondualism is the worst thing to have happened to me bc I don't know what to do. Very sorry for how long this is but i think the confusion of everything overwhelms me :(.

I know what you're talking about, the high you get when you come across this info and it makes sense more than anything.

You're having trouble because you're trying to get rid of your ego. I'll give an example from real life the way I always do so you can understand better.

Let's say you have a pet dog, you're going out for brunch today, you're ten minutes late already and you haven't even picked an outfit. You're rushing and running all over your apartment trying to get to your closet, your dog happens to be in the way so you step on his paw. You're so desperate to leave that you yell at him "Get out of the way!". Immediately you feel bad, you forget you were rushing, get down to his level, hug him and apologize.

Your pet dog, in this case, is your ego. Treat it with compassion, stop bullying it, it's not its fault you're not where you should be. You think he's in the way so you get mad, you get frustrated it's not following instructions or refuses to step aside. But the ego is not the problem, nor in the way. Your attitude toward it is the problem. Let it be, it doesn't know any better!

Cease thinking it's you, there's nothing else to do.

You think you have to do this and that because you think you're it, and you should act from it. That is not the case. There's nothing to do except disbelieve.

You lack nothing at all, never have, never will. It is all a game of choice. You depend too much on the world, you want to make it follow your will. You think it's not and you spiral. The only way to control the world is to step out of the world. The ego is in the world, and not you. Both the ego and the world are in you. Think like this, act from this. Nothing more is required of you. When you're out doing your tasks, become aware - "not me", "not mine". "Well if I am not this, nor that, what am I?"

It is ignorance of yourself that makes you afraid and also unaware that you are afraid. Don't try not to be afraid. Break down the wall of ignorance first. People are afraid to die, because they do not know what is death. The jnani has died before his death, he saw that there was nothing to be afraid of. The moment you know your real being, you are afraid of nothing. Death gives freedom and power. To be free in the world, you must die to the world. Then the universe is your own, it becomes your body, an expression and a tool. The happiness of being absolutely free is beyond description. On the other hand, he who is afraid of freedom cannot die. - Nisargadatta

Leave poor Vanessa alone, with both her desires and fears, disbelieve you are her until reality becomes self-obvious.