RJ Seems To Have Done Whatever He Wanted And Ignored All Hints For Finn And Rey. I Think You Covered

Finn & POE MORE THOUGHTS

RJ took everything wrong with the Finn Arc from TFA and instead of fixing, he double down on it. More Comic Relief, More of Finn being less capable then a female except this time it isnt Rey the supposed lead instead he gets shown up my a new character, RJ invented just to try to kill FinnRey. Heck she even goes one step further teaches him life lessons like he is fucking child. The only positive is he gets to beat Phasma through Phasma making a mistake. Heck about the only thing Finn had going for him was plot relevance and RJ decides to say fuck that as well. Nothing Finn does matter.

RJ then decides you know fuck TFA showing Poe as a trusted competent resistance leader that Leia trust. Oh and fuck the Poe Comics as well that is not Poe you get here. Now you got Poe the gladstanding showoff carelessly risking lifes who hates taking orders from women. Leia doesnt keep him around because he is competent and trusted and she worked with his parents. No he is kept around because hey he is dumb and sexist but at least he looks hot. Also a reoccurring issue nothing he does matters.

Finn and Poe are bonded by getting fucking tasered for no reason. And being utterly irrelevant. Its like RJ got his ideas about Black People, Latinos and Asians from fucking Stormfront. Blacks are dumb only good for jokes. Latinos are also dumb only good if they are hot. Asians are smart. And they all should be plot irrelevant.

There was no way it wasn’t going to be Luke’s Fault. However, my problem is Luke failed twice. It his fault that Kylo goes dark to some extent which I can accept to a degree but I cannot accept that on top of that Luke does nothing to clean up the mess. He goes off to a random planet and sits around doing zilch while Kylo and Snoke rekt face. The same Snoke that goes down to Kylo fresh off a loss to an untrained Rey and Rey who has lets be generous? How much time do you think Rey has known she has the Force, 3 weeks assuming some time skips? 

So an Akira style ending doesn't do shit for me to redeem Luke because really Luke should have been more then powerful to mop up Snoke and Kylo himself. He is only 50 or so Mace was about the same age when he threw down with Palpatine so don't give me he was too old like Kenobi and Yoda. Yoda also at least tried against Palpatine before running for the hills and Kenobi thought he had finished Anakin. Instead, we have zero indication that Luke tried to stop Kyo and Snoke at all until he goes godlike at the end. Which doesnt make up for what 5 plus years of not doing shit...

And thus there is no hope the Last Skywalker has killed not just 2/3rds of his family but the entire dream of a New Republic and New Jedi Order as well. And you know what is worse? A large swath of the fandom will still want him to get redeemed (Not Vader), a full on happy ending making super force babies with Rey.

I feel bad for George Lucas quite frankly. They are even retconning the Chosen One Prophecy and making fundamental changes to the Force. Who the fuck do KK a supposed friend of George and RJ think they are?

So basically: The Force Awakens was "Han's movie" and he died. The Last Jedi is Luke's movie and apparently he dies. Episode IX would be Leia's movie and she would be die?

Hi Anon,

Well, it certainly looks that way, doesn’t it?

George’s original idea, as I have read, was that Luke, Han and Leia would be supporting the main players, who were their kids. (or at least Han and Leia’s - I’m not sure I’ve read what Luke was doing in all this but….)

Then JJ arrived, threw out pretty much everything, and decided that Luke, Han and Leia should get a “fitting sendoff.”

Now, if you can explain to me how breaking up Han and Leia’s marriage, making their only child a Dark Sider, destroying Luke’s school and sending him off to be a hermit, then killing Han for nothing is a “fitting sendoff” then I think you should write Episode 9.

Because, yes, it looks now that Han dies in 8 for no damn good reason at all other than it’s the third act of a New Hope reboot and he’s oldest male lead so he goes down (or he’s “sexy luggage” according to JJ.). Because, and I stg I read this from some fan review, “Han and Leia should be crucified because of Kylo.” 

Yeah, so, there’s that.

I guess Luke will be blamed for Kylo - Mark is quoted in this week’s print Entertainment Weekly that there will be flashbacks and that the movie deals with the fallout of Luke thinking Kylo is the Chosen One. Which why tf Luke would even know the prophecy or care or NOT THINK IT’S HIS DAD when I’m sure Obi Wan would have told him is beyond me.

I would hope that Leia would have gotten a kinder fate in 9, but considering murder by your own child after your life is destroyed is called a “fitting sendoff” then I doubt it.

I don’t know, Anon. I mean, okay, they could have killed Luke, Han and Leia. I would not have been surprised.

But they could have left them together. Have them go out together, taking on the First Order so that Rey and Finn and Poe could win the day. 

What if Luke does live till 9? What’s he got? Han’s dead, Leia’s dead, his whole life in ruins…yeah. 

Thanks, Anon

No Finn, No Poe, Only A Little Rose from what I seen on twitter....RJ is Genius though apparently for putting the focus on the White Male Mass Murderer and making the Force White Only while dumping all the POC in the irrelevant B-Plot that doesn't even deserve mention by almost all the critics. Consider me unimpressed. 

There’s been jackshit about Finn other than him killing phasma. Spoilers my ass.

Finn & POE

Oh This is great a real laugh riot.

Finn all comic relief to dumb to think for himself has to be led around by Rose. Only beats Phasma cause she takes her eyes of the ball and he gets sneak attack. And Rose falls in love after opening the movie by tasing him despite knowing he is and that he just got out of surgery. What an Arc.

Poe from highly competent and trusted Ace Pilot. To hotshot sexist dumbass who is only kept around because he looks hot. Attempts a coup for no reason except apparently females shouldn't be in charge and gets slapped and tased by Leia because of it.

Man RJ really fucking loves emasculating Men of Color. Latinos are dumb horny idiots who need strong female leadership and only useful if they are hot. Blacks are only good for comic relief and also need a good woman to get anything done.

No Arcs just getting shit on...Fantastic Stuff. 3 Movies for RJ.

I would be concerned again especially since the comics was a revolving door for POC outside of Nico. Alex Killed then went to White Room then to Hell somehow and got rez. Victor looks like he is about to be rezzed from getting killed in comics. Ultron tie in will be tricky. and Xavin eh that was really a mess ending with Xavin sacraficing themselves for Karolina and lets be honest Karolina was a “insert insult of choice” to Xavin.

Was it necessary to “hispanicwash” Molly Hayes into Molly Hernandez?

Molly Hayes

Molly Hernandez

Before the backlash I know I’m gonna receive for this post… I’m Mexican living in Mexico, ergo I’m “PoC” but it was completely unnecessary to change the race of the character. I’m completely against whitewashing, I believe character race must stay as the source material. But come on, this change was completely unnecessary.

Yeah it was bad in TFA but this is worst not just because now they should know it was bad idea but also cause were once again lied to do about Finn with the dynamic described to us in marketing not existing in the actual movie. Beyond that also at least you can make the case Rey had a reason to attack Finn, Rose has no such Reason and Rose goes a step further by shocking Finn until he falls Unconscious after just getting off the medical bay. The fact that it will be played for laughs makes my blood boil. 

I keep thinking about how we were given the impression that Finn and Rose’s story would be a cool team up and that Rose would think he’s a Big Deal, but the storybook leaks basically give us a completely different dynamic, one where Rose drags an unwilling Finn around by the collar and scolds him for even trying to leave, and keeps him from leaving by force, and I hate that. I really hate that. It’s like the weak and questionable parts of Finn and Rey’s interaction before Harrison got injured and JJ reshot some stuff and changed their dynamic going forward because the antagonistic stuff wasn’t working. So why copypaste that bad dynamic that JJ already famously decided needed to be fixed? Actually make it worse? Bleh.

JJ is the lesser of two evils that is all it is. Although I should note the coma was RJ request so that is not on JJ but of course JJ had plenty of issues all his own doing. However, at least JJ wasn't an apologist for Kylo. But yeah the only POC with any power seems to be Pablo Hidalgo incidentally he was also unlike KK and RJ not making every excuse under the sun for Kylo. Make of it what you will. 

I don't understand why some fans think JJ Abrams will save Finn's arc when this man also made Finn be attacked during the entire movie, be a red herring and end the movie in a coma. The entire lucasfilm is guilty in this, they need more black artists to work in their movies or black characters will always be treat like this

the lesser of two evils. while JJ had many many flaws, he also gave us a great character in Finn and all those FS clues etc etc. rian doesnt even have one redeeming quality going for him. so when its rian vs. jj - of course everyone wants jj back. but ur point still stands. there needs to be more black people behind the camera. 

I am not surprised as far as I can tell RJ went Full EU in that he might be approaching the first Clone Wars Cartoon and StarKiller from Force Unleashed power levels. Basically, the POC are filler not just because their little side plot seems to have no major influence on the plot the First Order seems to win easily.

However, in choosing to dive so deep into Force Mythology and awesome Force powers, anyone without said powers is simply left in the dust. This is basically the EU towards the end with the exception of  mostly Han with Boba Fett and Lando to a lesser extent who survived off being Legacy from the OT. Ergo because RJ decided to keep the Force White and couldn't be bothered to come up with a compelling side plot. Well its no wonder there is a few mentions of Finn, a couple more about Rose and none about Poe. Nothing they do is plot relevant and any action scenes they get are easily overshadowed but what sounds like God Level Force Users. Who wants to watch Finn vs Phasma in the B-Plot when it has no emotional resonance and doesn't even look as cool as the Force Fights?  Even with a compelling side plot and no Force in something this Force Centric it would be hard but with a boring side plot, its impossible. B-Plot is there to move the plot forward and break up the Force Beats only. The Force Plot always tend to overshadow the non Force Plot. RJ seemingly did zilch to prevent it and probably didn't even care. Slapped Rose in for some diversity points, tossed Finn the bone of beating Phasma and probably gave Poe some nice space scenes. Called it a day. 

Look, if people had come out of this movie saying Finn is amazing and mentioned the Finnrey reunion, and talked about the diversity, and made clear statements that Kylo remains the villain and about how kick ass feminist things are, I would be able to stomach Rey random. Not the way things seem now. 

For a second, I didn't realize you were sarcastic.

what a beautiful day to hate rian johnson for destroying the skywalker legacy for literally no reason

Lol there is no way KKK hires Taika Waititi. With the racist bs she let slide for this movie...there is no way those two are compatible at all. He be fired day one for not wanting to cast a British white brunette, make a white man the focus and denigrate men of color.

so are you gonna watch tlj? based on the reviews i've seen from some of my sources i'm bailing lol disappointed but not surprised

I’ve decided not to see it. I got an early viewer’s take on it and there is no way I’m supporting a movie that so badly sidelines a Black character who was clearly set up to be the protagonist in the first movie. Honestly I could cry right now, fuck me for thinking this franchise could refrain from blatant racism for two whole movies right? At least I can move on now and stop expecting that this trash fire franchise could turn itself around.