Pretty Much JJ Is Iffy Honestly The Biggest Problems Were Finn Lacked In Skills Compared To Rey. Rey

Children Crusade 9

Indeed Spoilers would be nice. Cannot wait to read. I am especially interested in what the team looks like.

I am annoyed how they always crap on the PT Jedi yes they screwed up in the end but they kept it together for 1000 Generations or 20,000 years or so that is pretty good record. Luke couldn't even make it to 20. 

But yeah the idea Luke would totally copy the Old Jedi Order and make no changes is just weird. 

Why do people believe that Luke’s Jedi Order would be the exact same as the Old Jedi Order?

I second this just tough it out people. I already saw a Spanish version linked online so if you can understand Spanish you can watch that everyone else can just wait a few days and torrent it.

ill say if ur like me and havent watched the movie and are on the fence about watching it even tho ur thinking “ya i hate it but i miss finn and poe”… i get you, i understand you, but please try and not watch it. you know at the end of the day what hurts disney is their bottom line (and their reputation but less so). at the very least tell ur friends and family who are casual (or not at all) fans of star wars to not see the movie. dont buy their merch. dont support them at all. we want them to know that no one liked this film. no one was interested in watching this racist bs and the only language they speak is $$$ so hit them where it hurts. 

LIES I SAY LIES....BOTS...TROLLS...THERE IS NO FIRE TLJ >>> ESB

It doesn't mean anything Jumanji has bankable stars and thus no one could expect TLJ to win in its 4th week, you know despite LF forcing theatres into draconian rules. 

Ah ha ha ha ha

I am not sure but I am sure Emilia Clarke will be far more important then she has any right to be....by butting into Han and Lando and Han and Chewie...We dont need her but KK.

Solo: A Star Wars Story

Solo is set for release in May. Which means Disney’s latest two Star Wars films will be just six months apart, further exhausting the brand to the point where there will soon be nothing special about anything “Star Wars” that they dump into theaters.

Movies like this one are exciting because they give Disney/Lucasfilm/Knnedy the chance to destroy Star Wars’ past the same way they already destroyed Star Wars’ future!

Man, I can’t wait to see if they can retroactively wreck Han Solo’s entire character in his younger years.

RJ seems to have done whatever he wanted and ignored all hints for Finn and Rey. I think you covered Finn pretty well but I want expand on Rey.

1) She is inexplicably superpowered in the Force. No Skywalker Blood, No Palpatine Blood, No Kenobi Blood, No Immaculate Conception just two random parents. And she is this strong with one week max of training? Even Anakin couldn't beat Dooku with Kenobi and 10 years and he was the chosen one. I know some have defended her against Mary Sue but come on now...

2) Unkar just decides not to sell her? He was going to beat her up and steal BB-8 but wont cash in on a super strong Force Sensitive girl? Also how the frak do they know she has the Force this strong? Are midichlorians back? Did a knight of Ren drop by scan her and decide not to walk off with such a strong force user?

3) Rey has a random Force bond with Kylo, has the Skywalker lightsaber call to her, Dreams of the island Luke is on and outpulls said Skywalker lightsaber when fighting Kylo but has no connection to the Skywalker Family at all? And prior to TFA had never even met Kylo....how does that even make logical sense.

TLJ SPOILER-Y REPLY

seguun replied to your post “Should’ve listened to you. But I wanted to believe thst I would get…”

The worse part about Finn and Rose stuff is I am willing to bet it gets played for laughs. Rose probably wont even say Sorry. Beyond that the lack of comments on Finn, Poe and Rose tell me there stuff will be boring or limited or both. And the Reylo stuff seems somewhat legit since this is clearly the Kylo and Luke show. Reylo stuff means Rey is a Rando or Kenobi at best. So all in all I doubt I enjoy this. The only positive Finn stuff is he takes out Phasma..

Luke is the weirdest one though since no one seems to agree across all spoilers seems to agree with what goes down at the end. Force Ghost, Force Projection, Clone, Dead, Alive some combination who knows. But based on Mark’s comments, I doubt it end great for him. Snoke is a nobody probably. But consider me extra salty if Rey really is a Rando and all the Force Users are White in this one just because RJ, KK and LF decided to keep the Force White and the POC in the B-Plot

Yes, I am sure it will be played for laughs and a “meet cute” - it’s really sitcom.  Beyond the awfulness of what’s done to Finn’s character AGAIN which others have explained far better than I have - ffs he just got out of a coma and she zaps him to unconsciousness? It’s like knocking Han out after he was unfrozen in Jedi. Finn’s been through an unbelievable trauma, he’s off to find the one person he knows and cares about - and this new character I’m supposed to like comes and shocks him? It’s tone deaf on so many levels I can’t even believe someone decided this was a good idea (and what, the Resistance allows fellow soldiers to just attack people leaving? Really?) 

And the Poe stuff with Leia - I’m sorry, what? Leia is telling someone they’re being too reckless? Has she forgotten who her brother and husband are again? Or her own self?

Why haven’t we gotten much on Canto Bright - it’s supposed to be a big piece, right?

I can’t even comment on the Rey Rando stuff, it is too crappy for words (and I was for Rey Random - but not that awful story about her parents). Why go to the trouble of casting Daisy, who looks more like she’s the child of Harrison and Carrie or Mark and SkyMom than Adam Driver does - and then not make her related. If she’s a random, then why?

The Luke stuff is just awful, every bit I’ve seen is worse than the last. The visual dictionary saying he didn’t know about Han dying, him throwing the saber, the milk with the sloth (OMG, that sounds bad), refusing to train Rey, and on and on. Then how he’s supposed to die…and that he never sees Leia again? That proves that these directors don’t give one shit about the characters that aren’t Rey and Kylo.

Because, yes, let’s mention the whole bait and switch with Finn. Because we can argue about the screams on Takodano, because that is just badly put together. We can argue about who’s awakening, although it sure as hell looks like Finn.

But you cannot explain Maz giving Finn Luke’s saber when Han is STANDING RIGHT THERE and has a stronger claim to it by marriage. UNLESS FINN IS FORCE SENSITIVE. You just can’t - unless it’s just simply “well, we need to get the saber to the end of the movie so…congrats, Finn! But it doesn’t mean anything.”

I am not surprised as far as I can tell RJ went Full EU in that he might be approaching the first Clone Wars Cartoon and StarKiller from Force Unleashed power levels. Basically, the POC are filler not just because their little side plot seems to have no major influence on the plot the First Order seems to win easily.

However, in choosing to dive so deep into Force Mythology and awesome Force powers, anyone without said powers is simply left in the dust. This is basically the EU towards the end with the exception of  mostly Han with Boba Fett and Lando to a lesser extent who survived off being Legacy from the OT. Ergo because RJ decided to keep the Force White and couldn't be bothered to come up with a compelling side plot. Well its no wonder there is a few mentions of Finn, a couple more about Rose and none about Poe. Nothing they do is plot relevant and any action scenes they get are easily overshadowed but what sounds like God Level Force Users. Who wants to watch Finn vs Phasma in the B-Plot when it has no emotional resonance and doesn't even look as cool as the Force Fights?  Even with a compelling side plot and no Force in something this Force Centric it would be hard but with a boring side plot, its impossible. B-Plot is there to move the plot forward and break up the Force Beats only. The Force Plot always tend to overshadow the non Force Plot. RJ seemingly did zilch to prevent it and probably didn't even care. Slapped Rose in for some diversity points, tossed Finn the bone of beating Phasma and probably gave Poe some nice space scenes. Called it a day. 

Look, if people had come out of this movie saying Finn is amazing and mentioned the Finnrey reunion, and talked about the diversity, and made clear statements that Kylo remains the villain and about how kick ass feminist things are, I would be able to stomach Rey random. Not the way things seem now. 

Finn (John Boyega) is even more underdeveloped, and “The Last Jedi” saddles him with a plot that has literally no impact on the actual course of the movie and provides him with no discernible character development: The whole thing could have been excised from the film, and the only difference would have been a zippier run time, a smaller special-effects budget and a tighter story.

they. sidelined. finn. (via paige-tic0)

Trust me he is still a lead said the lying bitch RJ. He sidelined him with comic relief bs while having Rey fantasize about Kylo and then tried to toss Rose at Finn to kill FinnRey. Look I dont have a problem with FinnRose in the abstract since but its clear the only reason Rose is here is to help make sure Finn fans dont get anything they want. No Force Powers (he has a random kid show powers as one last fuck you to Finn Fans). No Arc (despite lying about it). And Rose is there to try to make us forget about Rey so he can cram Reylo down our throats not for any progressive reason or because the relationship has real value. RJ went in the goal to emasculate Finn and Poe and prop up Kylo.

Harder then KK and RJ sucks Adam (Kylo)’s Dick?

yall have no idea how hard i’m gonna be sucking jj abrams dick if he delivers an average film that isn’t a complete shitfest so long as we don’t have to suffer through re//ylo and the butchering/sidelining of all our beloved characters

Rian Johnson wants FinnRose and he did basically everything in his power to keep Finn and Rey from interacting. They dont even talk in this movie to each other at least they got a hug but you know that was probably improvised by the actors.

Rian wants finnrose but John’s giving us finn dealing w coming to terms w your sexuality and comp het feelings