SERIOUS SIGNAL BOOST (TW Steubenville Rape Trial, Westboro Church, Etc)

I brought it up for TFA but its funny when we get the first Black Male Lead in Star Wars suddenly the standard rules for how you treat a male lead no longer apply. I mean Finn is similar to Luke ignoring (Luke being the overall main lead and having the Force) difference is Luke never got beat up by his friends and while he did have some embarrassing stuff happen to him he still got to end ANH strong. Landing the final shots on the Deathstar. Finn meanwhile ends in a coma at RJ request and lost every fight including one to a stomtrooper (a first in Star Wars) and to Rey of course despite being top of his class in tie ins in comabt.

He then enters TLJ and opens worrying about Rey (who is making googly eyes at Kylo if the rumors are too be trusted) and getting tazered by Rose. Before getting demoted to the B-Plot which incidentally includes all the POC with no Force Powers in Finn, Poe, Rose, DJ and Paige Tico with less screen time then Kylo. And apparently the B-Plot wasn't all that interesting since everyone is gushing about Kylo, Luke and Rey. I mean sure it looks like he beats Phasma but there was no development between Finn and Phasma in TFA...there was between Finn and Kylo but does anyone really thing FInn will even the socre against Kylo like a real Male Lead? I dont. 

Absolutely sickening this window dressing Diversity and the wide scale acceptance of it in the fandom and the press. Disney is lucky Black Panther is coming so soon or I be boycotting their products.

In none of the other 8 Star Wars films were any of the villains given more screentime and importance than the heroes, in none. Not even Darth Vader. So I am sorry, but I am going to call bullshit that when two of the three major heroes are men of color, suddenly the only other young-ish white dude who happens to be the villain needs to have more screentime than the actual male hero. 

And before any of you Kyle fans comes at me “but he is the Skywalker of the trilogy!!!”, first of all, there are two other Skywalkers actually in the good side. Half of you are the same people who bend backwards saying how Rey should be a random because the trilogy doesn’t have to focus on a Skywalker.

But then suddenly it needs to focus on Kylo because he is one? 

Yeah, you can’t have it both fucking ways. 

I second this just tough it out people. I already saw a Spanish version linked online so if you can understand Spanish you can watch that everyone else can just wait a few days and torrent it.

ill say if ur like me and havent watched the movie and are on the fence about watching it even tho ur thinking “ya i hate it but i miss finn and poe”… i get you, i understand you, but please try and not watch it. you know at the end of the day what hurts disney is their bottom line (and their reputation but less so). at the very least tell ur friends and family who are casual (or not at all) fans of star wars to not see the movie. dont buy their merch. dont support them at all. we want them to know that no one liked this film. no one was interested in watching this racist bs and the only language they speak is $$$ so hit them where it hurts. 

1 Token Black Guy (or any POC) and at least 2 White Dudes who look alike is CW Diversity. It can basically function as a meta commentary.

????????????????????????? i hate this post. also those two boys on the left are literally identical.

You say that but its not like the Magic Story-line didn't involve killing characters during major conflicts to raise stakes. Heck I argue it was more Game of Thrones in the past after all even Urza died. So I think blaming it on Game of Thrones, is disingenuous to the extreme. I mean the end game against Yawgmoth resulted in all but 2 of the Nine Titans dying and most of the Weatherlight crew as well. Sealing the Time Rifts? Again more dead characters. More recently Venser Dead. Elspeth Dead. So MtG never had a problem killing major characters in the past but now the Gatewatch has unlimited plot armor.

The Gatewatch they go up against the Eldrazi and Bolas and lose not a single member.  I can make a case for Bolas not killing most of the Gatewatch. Vess is obvious. Jace could be played on Ravnica since he is the guildpact. Nissa has a unique ability with her leyline stuff. After that though the case for keeping Gideon and especially Chandra around seems rather nonexistant to me. Gideon maybe cause Bolas proved his ability is useless and you want an idiot steering the enemy team as the leader. But what reason does Bolas have for keeping Chandra around?

That's one thing a lot of people hate, that winning over the Eldrazi was an "easy" victory, they were built up so much and so well in the first Zendikar block only to be turned into another generic villain to be killed in the BfZ block. And Hour of Devastation was barely even a setback, I think a lot of people were expecting half of them to die and the other half to be turned into Bolas thralls or at least one of them suffering from something that couldn't be cursed in one block.

They were built up so much and so well because you never actually saw them. It’s the Boba Fett effect, the moment you have to explain them they stop being cool. So the choice was either to literally never deal with them cause they’re too OP, or to make them more manageable. We still don’t know if there’s more to the story there, as Ugin flat out states.

Did you know that people don’t have to die for there to be stakes? There’s a really toxic attitude out there from grimdark fiction like Game of Thrones that is easily proven untrue by decades of genre literature never requiring it.

So graduated today and the keynote speaker was Bloomberg which to that I say Fuck Bloomberg, Fuck the NYPD and Fuck Stop and Frisk

RJ seems to have done whatever he wanted and ignored all hints for Finn and Rey. I think you covered Finn pretty well but I want expand on Rey.

1) She is inexplicably superpowered in the Force. No Skywalker Blood, No Palpatine Blood, No Kenobi Blood, No Immaculate Conception just two random parents. And she is this strong with one week max of training? Even Anakin couldn't beat Dooku with Kenobi and 10 years and he was the chosen one. I know some have defended her against Mary Sue but come on now...

2) Unkar just decides not to sell her? He was going to beat her up and steal BB-8 but wont cash in on a super strong Force Sensitive girl? Also how the frak do they know she has the Force this strong? Are midichlorians back? Did a knight of Ren drop by scan her and decide not to walk off with such a strong force user?

3) Rey has a random Force bond with Kylo, has the Skywalker lightsaber call to her, Dreams of the island Luke is on and outpulls said Skywalker lightsaber when fighting Kylo but has no connection to the Skywalker Family at all? And prior to TFA had never even met Kylo....how does that even make logical sense.

TLJ SPOILER-Y REPLY

seguun replied to your post “Should’ve listened to you. But I wanted to believe thst I would get…”

The worse part about Finn and Rose stuff is I am willing to bet it gets played for laughs. Rose probably wont even say Sorry. Beyond that the lack of comments on Finn, Poe and Rose tell me there stuff will be boring or limited or both. And the Reylo stuff seems somewhat legit since this is clearly the Kylo and Luke show. Reylo stuff means Rey is a Rando or Kenobi at best. So all in all I doubt I enjoy this. The only positive Finn stuff is he takes out Phasma..

Luke is the weirdest one though since no one seems to agree across all spoilers seems to agree with what goes down at the end. Force Ghost, Force Projection, Clone, Dead, Alive some combination who knows. But based on Mark’s comments, I doubt it end great for him. Snoke is a nobody probably. But consider me extra salty if Rey really is a Rando and all the Force Users are White in this one just because RJ, KK and LF decided to keep the Force White and the POC in the B-Plot

Yes, I am sure it will be played for laughs and a “meet cute” - it’s really sitcom.  Beyond the awfulness of what’s done to Finn’s character AGAIN which others have explained far better than I have - ffs he just got out of a coma and she zaps him to unconsciousness? It’s like knocking Han out after he was unfrozen in Jedi. Finn’s been through an unbelievable trauma, he’s off to find the one person he knows and cares about - and this new character I’m supposed to like comes and shocks him? It’s tone deaf on so many levels I can’t even believe someone decided this was a good idea (and what, the Resistance allows fellow soldiers to just attack people leaving? Really?) 

And the Poe stuff with Leia - I’m sorry, what? Leia is telling someone they’re being too reckless? Has she forgotten who her brother and husband are again? Or her own self?

Why haven’t we gotten much on Canto Bright - it’s supposed to be a big piece, right?

I can’t even comment on the Rey Rando stuff, it is too crappy for words (and I was for Rey Random - but not that awful story about her parents). Why go to the trouble of casting Daisy, who looks more like she’s the child of Harrison and Carrie or Mark and SkyMom than Adam Driver does - and then not make her related. If she’s a random, then why?

The Luke stuff is just awful, every bit I’ve seen is worse than the last. The visual dictionary saying he didn’t know about Han dying, him throwing the saber, the milk with the sloth (OMG, that sounds bad), refusing to train Rey, and on and on. Then how he’s supposed to die…and that he never sees Leia again? That proves that these directors don’t give one shit about the characters that aren’t Rey and Kylo.

Because, yes, let’s mention the whole bait and switch with Finn. Because we can argue about the screams on Takodano, because that is just badly put together. We can argue about who’s awakening, although it sure as hell looks like Finn.

But you cannot explain Maz giving Finn Luke’s saber when Han is STANDING RIGHT THERE and has a stronger claim to it by marriage. UNLESS FINN IS FORCE SENSITIVE. You just can’t - unless it’s just simply “well, we need to get the saber to the end of the movie so…congrats, Finn! But it doesn’t mean anything.”

Perhaps Complex is the wrong word...its more Confusing. 

But we have all read the Chinese Complaints and they are Cast isn't Hot Enough Compared To MCU, Fight Scenes Were Lame Compared to Wuxia and What You Get in Anime (High Standards for Sword Fights), Continuity Not User Friendly (They didn't get the old movies) and Plot was boring and confusing with the First Order not competent enough. 

Short Answer: KK needs copy Feige’s Notes. 

1) The First I am not really going to comment on if the actors are attractive enough too much but I would have to agree in general....Lupita you don't see and Oscar is the only one he pretty universally be considered super hot. 

2) Hard to argue the fights aren't lame. Sorry Driver and Ridley just aren't that good and Boyega and Christie got nothing to work with since they got 30 seconds. The Force users didn't look Superhuman enough, I know they don't want to do Prequel twirling but times have changed and standards have gone up. 

3) Hard to argue with this one but you cant really fix it super easily if you want to do Skywalker Saga Films this close to the OT. 

4) The biggest sin is this...150 mins is long for an American Audience...its even worse for an audience who has to read subs. Beyond that it was boring for most of that time...reminds me of BvS too long without quality fight scenes. 

The positive here is Disney cannot ignore RJ and KK failing to secure Chinese Box Office so even if the movie makes 1.3-1.4 Billion. This is a major strike that probably sinks RJ trilogy alone and weakens KK. 

All the articles I've read on tlj underperforming in China bend over backwards trying to find an explanation that isn't "tlj sucks and Chinese people have standards". Like, they go 'Oh, Star Wars was never that big there! The OT never got a theatrical release!' but... tfa and ro both did, and got better results... if anything, tlj should have had more success, after them! They need better excuses (or to start MAYBE questioning why so many people didn't like it a bit more)

Also I’m sad about how articles even from usually good sites (eg Vox, which is the one I just read) pull the ‘fans just didn’t want complexity and new things!’ card while also criticizing Poe (“That f’ing guy”, “a 360-degree disaster”, blaming him for the near-destruction of the resistance…) and praising its feminist themes and how Poe should have listened to Holdo & Leia… (“Again and again, women try to set [Poe] straight, but he ignores or defies them”. UMM *white women) (½)

(2/2) … and just, completely missing the point! Like, in that article, Holdo & Leia creeping onto Poe is, apparently, “regarding Poe fondly” and Poe not facing the consequences. …I would also talk about Finn, but he was barely even mentioned (really goes to show how much he is the “male lead” under rian “kylo” johnson), and only in the context of “Finn and Rose […] played a direct role in the death of thousands of their fellow Rebels”. AND THE WRITER IS STILL NOT GETTING IT. smh …

These people are so far up Disney’s and Johnson’s asses that they can’t see or choose to ignore how awful and nonsensical the writing is, and how bad the movie is as a result. A 150 minute runtime for an action adventure flick is already quite a lot to ask of the audience, but to make it a rambling, meandering bore? Especially while opening in countries where you can’t rely on the SW brand to draw audiences? What level of entitlement does it take to think SW is owed viewers while putting out crappy and boring product, and that if people don’t see it in the projected numbers they’re in the wrong and don’t have the requisite intelligence to appreciate Johnson’s genius?

I’m also loving the way the white feminists are crawling out of the woodwork screaming about how revolutionary it is that white women are humiliating and brutalizing men of color in completely OOC and contrived scenarios. I see what their “feminism” is about and it ain’t pretty.

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I hated JJ’s Finn but at least Finn had fucking plot relevance and some agency. RJ doesn't even give him that...so will see what JJ wants to do. Never did I think I be praying for JJ to save Finn...and Poe. JJ has more power this time against KK then he did last time though. He made Disney 2 Billion and KK has fired far too many directors to do it again.

do you think Finnrey still has a chance? Or is it just Finnrose and Reylo now?

its all abusive ships from here on out!!! 

nah but really idk… if jj retcons the shit out of this film maybe finnpoe or finnrey will get a chance but… dont put too much hope on that. we cant even get finn a barebones arc idk about a good romance. ;/ 

I felt sympathy for Anakin but he still needed to die. The problem is why should I feel empathy for Kylo besides him being a SkySolo and a White Male? There is no other good reason. He grew up Rich with the Force and his biggest issues were his parents worked and his uncle didn't tell him about Darth Vader? Rey grew up sold into shit conditions on a desert backwater. Finn and millions of other as Child Soldiers ripped from their parents. Rose apparently lost her parents and her sister. And I am suppose to feel bad for Kylo. No there is no redemption strong enough. At least Anakin was a slave, who wanted to save his wife and kids and snapped after watching his mother die.

I always have to laugh when I see posts like “when Reylo becomes canon, then all of the antis will see the error of their ways.”

Because that will seriously never happen.  I’m not going to say that it’s completely impossible for someone to write a redemption arc that is SO powerful that it wins me over.  But the odds are seriously against it.

And honestly, even if they did somehow successfully redeem Kylo Ren to my satisfaction, I STILL wouldn’t be happy seeing him paired with one of his victims.

Most likely, even if LucasFilms does make the incredibly ghastly mistake of making Reylo canon, I will go to my grave screaming about all of the deaths at Kylo Ren’s hands..

I still haven’t shut up about Grimm pairing their lead character with a serial rapist.  I’m not going to shut up about this either.

Canon isn’t a cure-all for a fucked up ship.