Sure But Can You Really Have A Good Story And Ending For Finn And Poe When The Man Who Helped Ruin Their

The problem is we don't have numbers. Ergo sure it looks like Lionheart was slaughtering a bunch of Huntsmen but without knowing how many Huntsmen are actually active in Mistral, this could simply be a surgical strike against possible Ozpin Supporters who are Friends or Acquaintances of Qrow. But without actual numbers its impossible to tell. What I dont get is why is school out for anyone...we just had a Kingdom Academy go down, massive grimm attacks across the world and plenty of dead huntsmen...this especially didnt make sense in Vol 4 when Ironwood did it. Lionheart is turncoat...but I cant see why Ironwood would sanction a normal summer vacation when he is locking down the kingdom and prepping for war... But yeah Ozpin got curtailed by his council often enough so it seems weird no one called Lionheart on his BS. Ironwood at least stacked the votes.

Also what kind of weird dystopia is going on that Huntsman started inexplicably dropping like flies all around Mistral but none of the remaining ones said “hey, something suspicious is going on” before they all hit the dirt? I understand fully that these people are warriors and warriors often don’t make it back home, but at no point did anyone realize the massive increase in MIAs and think to speak about it? Qrow figured out something unusual was going on in a DAY after it’d happened. You’re telling me no one noticed during? I don’t buy it

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Okay did RJ even watch TFA? Lets say I buy Rey is a Random and convinced herself that her parents didn't sell her and were coming back. Why is Unkar feeding into her delusions? He offers to pay a crap ton for BB-8, she is slave why is not just taking BB-8 instead. Also she didn't get sold for massive amounts of credits cause she is strong in the Force? Again why not what makes it seem like Unkar has a heart and cares about anything besides money. 

I felt sympathy for Anakin but he still needed to die. The problem is why should I feel empathy for Kylo besides him being a SkySolo and a White Male? There is no other good reason. He grew up Rich with the Force and his biggest issues were his parents worked and his uncle didn't tell him about Darth Vader? Rey grew up sold into shit conditions on a desert backwater. Finn and millions of other as Child Soldiers ripped from their parents. Rose apparently lost her parents and her sister. And I am suppose to feel bad for Kylo. No there is no redemption strong enough. At least Anakin was a slave, who wanted to save his wife and kids and snapped after watching his mother die.

I always have to laugh when I see posts like “when Reylo becomes canon, then all of the antis will see the error of their ways.”

Because that will seriously never happen.  I’m not going to say that it’s completely impossible for someone to write a redemption arc that is SO powerful that it wins me over.  But the odds are seriously against it.

And honestly, even if they did somehow successfully redeem Kylo Ren to my satisfaction, I STILL wouldn’t be happy seeing him paired with one of his victims.

Most likely, even if LucasFilms does make the incredibly ghastly mistake of making Reylo canon, I will go to my grave screaming about all of the deaths at Kylo Ren’s hands..

I still haven’t shut up about Grimm pairing their lead character with a serial rapist.  I’m not going to shut up about this either.

Canon isn’t a cure-all for a fucked up ship.

While I serve up shirtless scenes and plenty of good stuff for the Reylos and setup Kylo being redeemed because of the Love of a Women. This is fucking sickening if true. Racist and Sexist truly spectacular. Still we shouldnt be surprised RJ has shown in his career that he only cares about conflicted White Male.

I feel the same way reading these spoilers that I do when I saw Snyder rewarded with two more movies after Man of Steel? Is he blackmailing LF like I assumed Snyder was doing DC?

Still I don't want to hear one more line after KKK lying mouth about feminism and diversity. This movie deep sixed that hard to prop up her Crush, Adam Driver at the expense of her main Heroine, her supposed Male Lead, all the POC, the original Trio and fucking George Lucas.

Rian Johnson voice: I will let Finn wake up from coma screaming Rey’s name and make him ask where she is as his first and only question. Then I will show him the kiss she gave him on his forehead and he will decide to leave the Resistance to go and find her. But yay, then I will introduce his new love interest who will taser him until he’s unconscious bc she is against people leaving the Resistance. They will fight several times and then somehow it will be really cute. Also I will let them write into the visual dictionary that Finn feels something deeper for Rey hahaha

I am happy Carrie Fisher is gone I shudder what they do to Leia. Cant wait for Mark to right a tell all book and no wonder George Lucas didn't grace the red carpet. Disney better have an airtight contract or George Lucas should sue.

Luke Skywalker couldn't kill his own father in duel threw down his lightsaber and was willing to let the Emperor kill him instead. Even though he knew his father was a monster. Heck it isn't restricted to family...Luke gave Jabba The Hut notorious criminal to which he had no Family ties a chance to surrender Han first. But I am suppose to believe Luke Skywalker would draw his Lightsaber to kill his nephew over some Dark Thoughts? You have to be shitting me.

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RJ seems to have done whatever he wanted and ignored all hints for Finn and Rey. I think you covered Finn pretty well but I want expand on Rey.

1) She is inexplicably superpowered in the Force. No Skywalker Blood, No Palpatine Blood, No Kenobi Blood, No Immaculate Conception just two random parents. And she is this strong with one week max of training? Even Anakin couldn't beat Dooku with Kenobi and 10 years and he was the chosen one. I know some have defended her against Mary Sue but come on now...

2) Unkar just decides not to sell her? He was going to beat her up and steal BB-8 but wont cash in on a super strong Force Sensitive girl? Also how the frak do they know she has the Force this strong? Are midichlorians back? Did a knight of Ren drop by scan her and decide not to walk off with such a strong force user?

3) Rey has a random Force bond with Kylo, has the Skywalker lightsaber call to her, Dreams of the island Luke is on and outpulls said Skywalker lightsaber when fighting Kylo but has no connection to the Skywalker Family at all? And prior to TFA had never even met Kylo....how does that even make logical sense.

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seguun replied to your post “Should’ve listened to you. But I wanted to believe thst I would get…”

The worse part about Finn and Rose stuff is I am willing to bet it gets played for laughs. Rose probably wont even say Sorry. Beyond that the lack of comments on Finn, Poe and Rose tell me there stuff will be boring or limited or both. And the Reylo stuff seems somewhat legit since this is clearly the Kylo and Luke show. Reylo stuff means Rey is a Rando or Kenobi at best. So all in all I doubt I enjoy this. The only positive Finn stuff is he takes out Phasma..

Luke is the weirdest one though since no one seems to agree across all spoilers seems to agree with what goes down at the end. Force Ghost, Force Projection, Clone, Dead, Alive some combination who knows. But based on Mark’s comments, I doubt it end great for him. Snoke is a nobody probably. But consider me extra salty if Rey really is a Rando and all the Force Users are White in this one just because RJ, KK and LF decided to keep the Force White and the POC in the B-Plot

Yes, I am sure it will be played for laughs and a “meet cute” - it’s really sitcom.  Beyond the awfulness of what’s done to Finn’s character AGAIN which others have explained far better than I have - ffs he just got out of a coma and she zaps him to unconsciousness? It’s like knocking Han out after he was unfrozen in Jedi. Finn’s been through an unbelievable trauma, he’s off to find the one person he knows and cares about - and this new character I’m supposed to like comes and shocks him? It’s tone deaf on so many levels I can’t even believe someone decided this was a good idea (and what, the Resistance allows fellow soldiers to just attack people leaving? Really?) 

And the Poe stuff with Leia - I’m sorry, what? Leia is telling someone they’re being too reckless? Has she forgotten who her brother and husband are again? Or her own self?

Why haven’t we gotten much on Canto Bright - it’s supposed to be a big piece, right?

I can’t even comment on the Rey Rando stuff, it is too crappy for words (and I was for Rey Random - but not that awful story about her parents). Why go to the trouble of casting Daisy, who looks more like she’s the child of Harrison and Carrie or Mark and SkyMom than Adam Driver does - and then not make her related. If she’s a random, then why?

The Luke stuff is just awful, every bit I’ve seen is worse than the last. The visual dictionary saying he didn’t know about Han dying, him throwing the saber, the milk with the sloth (OMG, that sounds bad), refusing to train Rey, and on and on. Then how he’s supposed to die…and that he never sees Leia again? That proves that these directors don’t give one shit about the characters that aren’t Rey and Kylo.

Because, yes, let’s mention the whole bait and switch with Finn. Because we can argue about the screams on Takodano, because that is just badly put together. We can argue about who’s awakening, although it sure as hell looks like Finn.

But you cannot explain Maz giving Finn Luke’s saber when Han is STANDING RIGHT THERE and has a stronger claim to it by marriage. UNLESS FINN IS FORCE SENSITIVE. You just can’t - unless it’s just simply “well, we need to get the saber to the end of the movie so…congrats, Finn! But it doesn’t mean anything.”

It make no sense for Unkar not to sell Rey. I could see Unkar keeping Rey if had a way to train her so he could have his own pet force user but he doesn't even do that. He was going to send thugs to beat her up and steal BB-8 so there is no fucking reason for him not to sell her besides RJ saying screw JJ and Lucas, I do what I want. So I am just going to mostly ignore TFA and the OT and PT and retcon whatever the frak I want. 

“Rey’s parents are not only just random junkyard people, they are horrible, horrible people who trade Rey for a ship off Jakku because the First Order is looking for Force Sensitive children, but Unkar Plutt does not sell her to the First Order. “

guess who’s going to be back on her Jedi!Finn bullshit 

Pretty Much JJ is iffy honestly the biggest problems were Finn lacked in skills compared to Rey. Rey was overloaded She has the Force, She can fight (Finn should be better here) in Martial Arts, She can fly, she is mechanic and she is multilingual. Spread the love out I wanted them both to have the force so let him be a pilot or a mechanic. Beyond that problems are Poe naming (iffy), animal through (remove the animal), Rey/BB-8 tazing Finn (again Finn should win here), Rathars capture (delete all this), Chewie (remove), losing to TR-8R (no put Phasma here). But Finn basically drove the plot and was a clear lead so plus points for that. 

RJ though just no Finn is treated with no respect from the jump because RJ didn't want to do payoff for Finn and wanted to suck Kylo’s Dick. He wakes up banging his head, running around leaking water like a fool and then getting tazed by Rose? This is how you treat a Hero of the Resistance? Really RJ? Then he goes on a worthless side plot where Rose takes the lead and treats him like a child? Where the fail essentially over a parking violation? Gets tased again and they trust DJ who is just waiting for them? The Phasma fight had nothing to it emotionally or physically. And the crait stuff...I didn't want him to die but even so Rose stopping him makes no sense and her lines so cringy considering her sister and Holdo. 

seguun replied to your post: “The difference between JJ and RJ is the following: some of the things…”:

Eh I argue about JJ just making mistakes…the difference is more RJ double down hard even after the Finn stuff got criticism so he doesn’t get an excuse at all.

Yeah, JJ made mistakes…. RJ didn’t give a single fuck…

JJ is the lesser of two evils that is all it is. Although I should note the coma was RJ request so that is not on JJ but of course JJ had plenty of issues all his own doing. However, at least JJ wasn't an apologist for Kylo. But yeah the only POC with any power seems to be Pablo Hidalgo incidentally he was also unlike KK and RJ not making every excuse under the sun for Kylo. Make of it what you will. 

I don't understand why some fans think JJ Abrams will save Finn's arc when this man also made Finn be attacked during the entire movie, be a red herring and end the movie in a coma. The entire lucasfilm is guilty in this, they need more black artists to work in their movies or black characters will always be treat like this

the lesser of two evils. while JJ had many many flaws, he also gave us a great character in Finn and all those FS clues etc etc. rian doesnt even have one redeeming quality going for him. so when its rian vs. jj - of course everyone wants jj back. but ur point still stands. there needs to be more black people behind the camera.